How to analyze loot - Page 2

falkao · 04-20-2008, 07:06

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Originally Posted by Dahlifyr

Ehum, wtf whas this? The only thing one need to know about EU is that youre loot depends on what you do, and only you, nothing more nothing less!

are you sure about this? However you are free to believe what you like to believe.

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Originally Posted by Dahlifyr

We dont need anyone trying do breake the system, couse there is no way to do it, you will win some and you will be fucked over and loose alot! Thats it.

that's correct. MA won't pay more out than did go in. As we have discovered, loot follows some kind of an exponential distribution. So you will have many small loots, some high, and rarely some very high ones. With such a distribution it will be very hard to break even in short time. However, one of the results is that you can break even getting globals. That's what players already know.

So all is aimed for a long run. Nevertheless, there is still a probability to get a large hof in the first runs. Since costs are linear, this will let you play for quite some time. Check the globals thread to see how happy those avas can be.

DrFeelGood · 04-20-2008, 08:06

I like this thread. Keep up the impressive work, and +rep for you.

Legion · 04-20-2008, 08:52

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Originally Posted by Level

great research but one question:

Does your research helps you with hunting and breaking even? Do you profit with this knowledge? If the answer is: "No"...than its only waste of time and unnecessary nonsense.

Why I post that? Yesterday I realised my knowledge about Entropia Universe is a bullshit, informations about nothing, I wasted my memory and my time.

But, mayby its only me, I hope so.

I'm quite certain that stars page lets me profit or atleast break even now. What i look for i wont say though

Also great research you got going on there, but loot does change over the days :P

falkao · 04-20-2008, 08:52

I've added now section 2. Still more to come.

kalanen · 04-20-2008, 08:54

*read it once*

*opens can of beer*

*starts reading it a gain*

Mega · 04-20-2008, 09:00

How to analyze loot short version

Loot > Ammo + decay cost

Loot < Ammo + decay cost

Sorry about that, great post - but way over my head I'm afraid.

Berul · 04-20-2008, 09:02

Awesome analysis, congratulations. I always had though that the loot is going on some kind of exponential curve, and as your analysis tell, it certainly goes.
Can it be a logarithmic one?, being globals, hofs and ath's belonging to another more randomised function?

Acronoid · 04-20-2008, 09:13

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Originally Posted by jdegre

that's a extremely simplistic view. EU is a very very complex system and must be analyzed is small parts. here you have a very nice analysis on how loot works, from a statistical point of view. there are many other analysis done by others, such as armor decay, effect of attachments in weapons, general weapon efficiency, skill system analysis, etc, etc.
if you want to profit, it is YOU who must put together all of these pieces, and draw your own conclusions.

yes, it's you.

I disagree. EU is not a very complicated system. The viewer may get this view, but actually the code must be quite simple and fast.
I also disagree the analysis in small parts. I prefer to analyse the different systems in work in EU in total for each system, and try to analyse the relation between them if existing. Subdividing to much leads to fragmentation and to many pieces of the puzzle.
If all systems would be in calculation directly in code at any given time, it would mean a stress on the servers and server database of such size that it would be impossible for more then 10-20 ppl to be active in the system.
I could explain my views and discoveries about the EU "dynamics" but I'm still experimenting and nobody want to read a 50 page reply I guess.
Although I must say that the micro analysis done by some ppl here can give me more insight in my own theories, either supporting them or contradicting them. the latter being more productive since every good theory must stand the fire-test.