How to analyze loot

[Borr]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

Thanks for filling in some details Legion, that's more understandable now Sorry about the sarcasm earlier but I had no idea what you were yabbering on about

Legion + Loot system == guaranteed yabbering

It's my favorite EU subject, keep it up!


PS: Legion, where did you get the combined Eudoria/Amethera map? I can't recall having seen it before?!

[kalanen]

Gaps are quite clear, but I'd still like "for dummies edition" about what's the distribution within each class like.

For example, is spread even in each class or is there particulary dense areas around certain pec*hp area?

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

Besides, the loot system may be such that even if someone knows exactly how it works, that doesn't give them any great advantage (I actually seem to recall Marco saying something along these lines a while back).

Yes, sir. And that might be the randomizing power of thousands of avatars doing their own shit (the only thing out of even MA's control).

[Legion]

Originally Posted by Dion Red Strike

Off topic, but on topic to your post....

So, if a person has higher skills, they get less skill gain... so, it becomes harder to read the skill gainsa pointers then, right?

Now, I'm not a proponent of chipping out, but, if your theory/statement is correct, then it would mean tha if you knew the relevance of the various skills to determine loot, you should chip out after reching a certain level, correct?

Nope, as you dont really get less skillgains, you get less skillpoints. I do belive however that if you hunt a mob to small for your level you get less skillgains but i'm not certain of this yet. I know there is some debate over this in the skills thread but it seems most ppl think you dont get less gains but less points.

Originally Posted by Borr

Legion + Loot system == guaranteed yabbering

It's my favorite EU subject, keep it up!


PS: Legion, where did you get the combined Eudoria/Amethera map? I can't recall having seen it before?!

I made it myself. But i got the idea after someone did some experimentation on the continents and came to the conclusion that this is where eudoria should be located. And also if you place them like this and take the 8 into consideration and watch the hofs.. if your not stupid you see the pattern

Although the map is just an approximation of where it is, so it's not down to any exact coordinates.

[falkao]

Originally Posted by Dion Red Strike

Falco,


good work, ofc...

But, when compiling the data, did you include the times of the various figures?

Would (or are) you be able to see a wave related to time if you compiled it?

well, I have the time included but I do have only captures of distinct time periods (when I was copy&pasting them). Within them, I can't see any wave or similar form but I would like to analyze it on a continous dataset.

[falkao]

Originally Posted by Monica

I mean nothings wrong here, but im trying to say that you should analyze that finaly and keep all info for your own, because it`s your job, not somebody ellse..! nobody did, but if you ask me, i guess you wil get banned if you realy find out and use that "uber loot all the time" system ;PPP

I began to post here because I'm rather sure that there is no "uber loot all the time" system .

[falkao]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

hehe OK that's true I guess. What I meant was I'd have to learn some of the stats you're using before I could verify it, rather than just being able to check through your working straight away.

That's exactely the point. Trying to reproduce my findings with my formulas would only be good to discover calc. errors. To verify it from the basics does indeed need the proper understanding. However, I can help if needed, depends on what your background is.

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

...some puzzles require huge data collection, and lots of thought, to solve - doing it all yourself is not always possible.

without yours, Koloboks, Becker's (Woody), my own and now Starfinders data, I wouldn' had the possibility to do any analysis. So, team work is needed to succeed.

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

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Some Dasp loots would be interesting for that purpose. But the only times I've hunted them its with a big team so its a bit hard in the thick of the action to work out how much loot they're giving.

There are some globals recorded on Dasp. To get complete insights we might need data for normal loot as well.

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

For the most part in WoF I've been solo-hunting mobs whilst in team. To be honest my personal global rate during WoF feels roughly the same as normal but that's just 'feeling' too hehe.

To be honest, I think you're right. My post was more to test if plausible statements are believed without prooving it , but you've got me immediately.

[falkao]

Originally Posted by Coop_

When determining your classes, esp. distinguishing between globals, hofs, and ATH's, are you looking at breaks in the loot amount? Or are you looking at whether the text in the global message says HOF, ATH, etc.?

I'm looking at the breaks indifferent of its type.

[falkao]

Originally Posted by kalanen

Gaps are quite clear, but I'd still like "for dummies edition" about what's the distribution within each class like.

For example, is spread even in each class or is there particulary dense areas around certain pec*hp area?

The small classes within C1 do look as uniform or light right tailed, the bigger ones are heavy right tailed. So for sure not a gaussian.

[falkao]

Originally Posted by Legion

I'm not sure if i understood it correct how you think i think the lootsystem works so i'll try to explain.

this was a fast check on Ambu to see if time between globals has some non randomness. So not what you're proposing with the 8's.

Originally Posted by Legion

As i found out there is a "figure" that looks like an 8 that rotates around calypso, this 8 has another 8 on it that moves along the lines of the big 8 that also rotates. The big 8 is what tells the server when it should be hoffing and when not, the smaller 8 is uberloots.
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I can't exclude such a system atm and I'm thinking on how to test it. Overall distribution will be the same but if we would have data per area, then we could verify it. Area can't be recorded by Starfinders/Tussis tracker, but could be filled in by single avatars. They normally know where they hunted. For some mobs it would be possible to derive it, because they are located in one or two areas only.

So if your assumption is right, for a mob that exists only in one/two areas, globals should be triggered cyclically or have large time gaps between hot hours.

Btw, does your 8 only apply to globals or high loot or also to normal loot?

[Legion]

Originally Posted by falkao

this was a fast check on Ambu to see if time between globals has some non randomness. So not what you're proposing with the 8's.



I can't exclude such a system atm and I'm thinking on how to test it. Overall distribution will be the same but if we would have data per area, then we could verify it. Area can't be recorded by Starfinders/Tussis tracker, but could be filled in by single avatars. They normally know where they hunted. For some mobs it would be possible to derive it, because they are located in one or two areas only.

So if your assumption is right, for a mob that exists only in one/two areas, globals should be triggered cyclically or have large time gaps between hot hours.

Btw, does your 8 only apply to globals or high loot or also to normal loot?

One thing you can do is to look at the map i made, then check the hogs,, depending if the 8 is spinning clockwise or counterclockwise (atleast i think it can go both ways) you should soon after see ambus hoffing, also (i think) kingfishers, then pvp4 and argos at twin and so on, you just have to look at the hofs and keep the map in your mind and a pattern should be quite visible.

As for if it only applies to globals or high loot i'm not totally sure, i think both the 8's up's the loot and depending on which one is in your area your loot can either be minis or a hof. What i do think is that the big 8 is the faster one and the small one moves along the big 8's line slower and spins a bit slower to. but for example the small 8 if the big one havent passed yet could generate minis and if both pass the same area you get ubers, ofcourse depending also on how god the particular mob and spawnarea is at that moment depending from the lootpool.