How to analyze loot - Page 29

falkao · 05-26-2008, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Doer

I thought that was you i saw globaling.

I personally have hunted Hogglos once since they dropped PEDs (like, shiny gold things), but i've that time (about two months ago) we had no globals and one ~40 PED loot that probably would have been a global on any sane loot day for us (another team was pulling in big ESIs and globals every few minutes during that time). So, yeah, they drop non-globals if you're in a bad loot period (whatever that may be).

There should have been some pedders in my runs as well. But not a single one. Loot was always below 6 ped except when I globalled. So instead of getting with a rate of 2.5% loot in >=C3, I've got globals with a rate of 7%.

The test was rather amusing. The first mob I killed was a global. However, when I logged in, I was still in the area from the last WOF. I left it several days back with about 15 kills without any high loot.

Since some avas have the impression that there is an area effect, couldn't it be such, that the area/mob follows a loot pattern. I personally do still think it's an intra Ava effect that might be related to area.

Doer · 05-26-2008, 12:00

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Originally Posted by falkao

The test was rather amusing. The first mob I killed was a global. However, when I logged in, I was still in the area from the last WOF. I left it several days back with about 15 kills without any high loot.

The number of times i've logged out due to bad returns and logged in to hit a global or big drop is quite high.

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Since some avas have the impression that there is an area effect, couldn't it be such, that the area/mob follows a loot pattern. I personally do still think it's an intra Ava effect that might be related to area.

This is the list (subset on account of the tracker sucks) of my globals from one hunting area. I'd say anyone who doesn't think that area/avatar and mobs follow a loot pattern is daft.

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Warrior  	Generation 01  	92 PED  Saturday, May 24, 2008 14:56
Warrior 	Generation 02 	63 PED 	Saturday, May 24, 2008 05:00
Warrior 	Generation 01 	65 PED 	Saturday, May 24, 2008 04:34
Warrior 	Generation 02 	57 PED 	Saturday, May 24, 2008 04:20
Warrior 	Generation 01 	88 PED 	Saturday, May 24, 2008 01:53
Drone   	Generation 02 	648 PED Friday, May 23, 2008 23:39
Drone   	Generation 05 	53 PED 	Friday, May 23, 2008 23:37
Drone   	Generation 05 	50 PED 	Friday, May 23, 2008 22:25
Drone   	Generation 03 	66 PED 	Thursday, May 22, 2008 03:25
Drone   	Generation 02 	125 PED Wednesday, May 21, 2008 15:14
Warrior 	Generation 03 	79 PED 	Wednesday, May 21, 2008 14:49
Warrior 	Generation 04 	64 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 23:46
Warrior 	Generation 02 	66 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 23:38
Drone   	Generation 03 	68 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 23:14
Drone   	Generation 03 	65 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 21:22
Warrior 	Generation 02 	50 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 19:55
Drone   	Generation 02 	89 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 19:47
Warrior 	Generation 01 	75 PED 	Friday, May 16, 2008 22:49
Warrior 	Generation 02 	148 PED Friday, May 16, 2008 14:00
Warrior 	Generation 01 	59 PED 	Friday, May 16, 2008 12:57
Warrior 	Generation 01 	56 PED 	Friday, May 16, 2008 12:49
Warrior 	Generation 02 	77 PED 	Friday, May 16, 2008 11:46

kalanen · 05-26-2008, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Doer

I'd say anyone who doesn't think that area/avatar and mobs ...

...and universe and continent and maturity and...

Think about the chaos when every property of the thing you kill/bomb/click has simple up, down or void attached to it. Weird things keep happening out there

falkao · 05-26-2008, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Doer

The number of times i've logged out due to bad returns and logged in to hit a global or big drop is quite high.

This is the list (subset on account of the tracker sucks) of my globals from one hunting area. I'd say anyone who doesn't think that area/avatar and mobs follow a loot pattern is daft.

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Drone   	Generation 02 	648 PED Friday, May 23, 2008 23:39
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Drone   	Generation 02 	125 PED Wednesday, May 21, 2008 15:14
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Warrior 	Generation 02 	148 PED Friday, May 16, 2008 14:00

Those are the interesting ones. Although the model is not suited for mobs with HP<1000, we can speculate with it. The 648 D2 would come from class C5 and is quite rare. It corresponds to a 1.5k Hof on Ambu Y. The 125 D2 and 148 W2 might come from C4.

Do you have also some numbers on how many kills you needed to get a global?

Doer · 05-26-2008, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Doer

This is the list (subset on account of the tracker sucks) of my globals from one hunting area. I'd say anyone who doesn't think that area/avatar and mobs follow a loot pattern is daft.

Code:

Warrior  	Generation 01  	92 PED  Saturday, May 24, 2008 14:56
Warrior 	Generation 02 	63 PED 	Saturday, May 24, 2008 05:00
Warrior 	Generation 01 	65 PED 	Saturday, May 24, 2008 04:34
Warrior 	Generation 02 	57 PED 	Saturday, May 24, 2008 04:20
Warrior 	Generation 01 	88 PED 	Saturday, May 24, 2008 01:53
Drone   	Generation 02 	648 PED Friday, May 23, 2008 23:39
Drone   	Generation 05 	53 PED 	Friday, May 23, 2008 23:37
Drone   	Generation 05 	50 PED 	Friday, May 23, 2008 22:25
Drone   	Generation 03 	66 PED 	Thursday, May 22, 2008 03:25
Drone   	Generation 02 	125 PED Wednesday, May 21, 2008 15:14
Warrior 	Generation 03 	79 PED 	Wednesday, May 21, 2008 14:49
Warrior 	Generation 04 	64 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 23:46
Warrior 	Generation 02 	66 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 23:38
Drone   	Generation 03 	68 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 23:14
Drone   	Generation 03 	65 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 21:22
Warrior 	Generation 02 	50 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 19:55
Drone   	Generation 02 	89 PED 	Tuesday, May 20, 2008 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by falkao

Those are the interesting ones. Although the model is not suited for mobs with HP<1000, we can speculate with it. The 648 D2 would come from class C5 and is quite rare. It corresponds to a 1.5k Hof on Ambu Y.

Yeah, what a waste of a good loot, hmm?

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The 125 D2 and 148 W2 might come from C4.

Do you have also some numbers on how many kills you needed to get a global?

Well i output 6155 PEDs for the hunt that included the globals i left in the quote (Tuesday and later), so at an eco of ~2.87 dmg/pec that means 1.8M hp damage. Say average drone hp is 360 (midway between 02 and 03) and average warrior hp is 550 (gen 02), and that there's an even distribution. (360+550)/2=455 and 1.8M/455 = 3956 kills. 17 globals during that period gives on average 233 mobs/global, but they were definitely not uniformly distributed. I had a rather severe down period preceding this, too.

Sorry i can't be more precise.

Oh, there might be a global or two that were missed. :/ Tracker has been better lately, but i'm not sure if it caught them all. I think that's all of them, though.

Edit: I wonder how loot is determined for beacon missions. It might be interesting to compare those, but difficult due to the rarity of globals on them. Check out this run: Incredible Beacon Mission and you can see another case of grouping/patterned looting.

falkao · 05-26-2008, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Doer

..= 3956 kills. 17 globals ...

well that's enough. Would give a global rate of about .4%.
IF C4 is similar to hp>1000 mobs, then this would imply that loot > 3HP/1000 PED is triggered in 10% of non empty kills. But thats a pure assumption atm.

kalanen · 05-26-2008, 16:47

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...are you absolutely sure about predermined classes?

I mean there is no change of these classes being just kinda side effect of using just one formula and stack of multipliers when loot is calculated?

buckaroobanzai · 05-26-2008, 16:52

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Originally Posted by Doer

Edit: I wonder how loot is determined for beacon missions. It might be interesting to compare those, but difficult due to the rarity of globals on them. Check out this run: Incredible Beacon Mission and you can see another case of grouping/patterned looting.

In the case of beacon missions the loot multiplier is most likely determined once for all the boxes. Therefore if you get a box global, you most likely get globals on most other boxes in the same beacon. This is not a matter of grouping, unless we believe that the loot multiplier is calculated for group of mobs and not mob by mob.

Take care,
BBB

kalanen · 05-26-2008, 16:57

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Originally Posted by buckaroobanzai

In the case of beacon missions the loot multiplier is most likely determined once for all the boxes. Therefore if you get a box global, you most likely get globals on most other boxes in the same beacon. This is not a matter of grouping, unless we believe that the loot multiplier is calculated for group of mobs and not mob by mob.

Take care,
BBB

Boxes are looted after all hp in beacon is done.

HP based cycles: 100
Timer bases cycles: 0

Doer · 05-26-2008, 17:09

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Originally Posted by buckaroobanzai

In the case of beacon missions the loot multiplier is most likely determined once for all the boxes. Therefore if you get a box global, you most likely get globals on most other boxes in the same beacon. This is not a matter of grouping, unless we believe that the loot multiplier is calculated for group of mobs and not mob by mob.

Take care,
BBB

I agree. The question is whether that grouping is due to a factor set for that "species" or that "kill". E.g. in comparison to the grouping of drones and warriors in my hunts.