No items in uber HOFs is a good thing

[JohnCapital]

I keep running across the mega hofs and ATHs and seeing people cry about here being "no items" in them.

Why are you crying? This is a good thing, not bad.

Items are still dropping, (yes not nearly as much as in the past, but get over it) and now we have twice as much chance of getting our hands on them.

Consider these 2 true globals/hofs

Player A gets 6.9k uber

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Player B gets a 61 global w/ jag arms

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Perhaps, player 1 is willing to spend his new fortune on Jag arms. Lo and behold a new set happens to be available and the person who looted them is willing to sell them.

A deal is reached. Items/peds are exchanged and everyone walks away happy.

The other (old) method that lots of folks seem to want is that one person gets a 7k uber consisting of high markup items.

Great. Now one guy has both peds and items and the rest of us have to dig in our pockets to pay off some bloke who, in my opinion, hit the lottery not once, but twice.

I prefer the way it is now. 7k in oils or a 61 global w/ jag arms. Either way, you can afford the arms.

What's the problem?

Crongrats to al those that get ubers/ATHs or fantastic item drops.

[onyx oZ Zombie]

funny, was just thinking somewhat along these lines a few minutes ago ... instead of a greater amount of upper-end items being dropped so they can be afforded by more people, larger ped/oil only loots are dropping to more people (or so it seems ). this then allows the prices of upper-end items to remain high or even go higher, essentially perpetuating the cycle of endless inflation

[Zabler]

Behold the truth

[Henceforth]

If there are only oils in loot people moan about no items, and if there is stuff in the ATH people whine about why give 2x ATH.

BUT... you cant count upmark from loot as given loot from MA, you still have only a 60 ped global. And if you TT the Jag you only have 60 ped. But the upmark makes the global worth more.

Like ESI, you loot 80 ped ESI but that could as well be 80 ped oils, so if you would have braken even in the long run WITH the ESI markup MA has fooled you and you would have otherwise lost big.

[Optima]

Originally Posted by Will Henceforth

If there are only oils in loot people moan about no items, and if there is stuff in the ATH people whine about why give 2x ATH.

BUT... you cant count upmark from loot as given loot from MA, you still have only a 60 ped global. And if you TT the Jag you only have 60 ped. But the upmark makes the global worth more.

Like ESI, you loot 80 ped ESI but that could as well be 80 ped oils, so if you would have braken even in the long run WITH the ESI markup MA has fooled you and you would have otherwise lost big.

Nope they didnt "fool us" since its the only logical way to do it!
How do you expect to profit in here? on tt?!? Dont be silly... then MA would be bancrupt in a week...
Only way has to be:
Some players loose
Some players win
MA takes a little off both

For that to happen stuff has to have markup, since the "old" system we had where it was alot easier to break even (or close) on tt (but a helluvalot harder to profit than it is now) cant work anymore.

As for original poster yes for sure. Lootbalance is already fucked up. Too many 30k'ers on big mobs instead of 1-4k'ers, if all the big ones were supposed to hold shadow, tt+30k guns blabla then it would screw things up even more... Needs to be some balance atleast. Be it on tt loots or markuploots i dont really care, but dropping the "good stuff" in globals for sure makes sense...

[valentin]

In a way no because i i would have more chance to loot good items i would hunt more and do other things in EU and if i got a shadow item i would ceep it or sell it to a player in that way MA dont lose anything but definitive iwould hunt much more and then would MA gain more money from me and the person who buy my shadow item he/she would sell it or use it or if they use it then they will be able to hunt bigger and MA would gain more money from them to.

[preAcher_SLO]

yea nice idea on it there's 1 little thing you're forgetting MOST and I do mean 99.67% of the lootwindows on globals haven't got any items that are more than +40 in upmark at least by my experience...we all know the angel in the itumatrox won't repeat for about a year or two maybe more - who knows..so the issue isn't about items in hofs or globals or ATH's without items blablabla..nothing like that...its more about NOT BEING ANY ITEMS ALMOST ALWAYS. the global is in 99.67% A GLOBAL..nothing more (70ped ~ 70 ped)...i've had my share of globals and my best markup thing besides an ESI was vigilante shinguards...the only armor part..(not considering knight pixie and goblin lol). so someone should think about the whole mindark not giving enough armor and items in general - making its prices sky high thingy...but i guess people are people and just bow down as usual and take it like a bi*ch from behind..GL to everyone, especially MA if the trends go the way they're going..

[Az Bloodz]

Well what if the items has like 6k PED TT value? you need an uber HoF so it can drop. Since like the unL SIB Guns have like a 50% condition limit so they will drop with like 3k PED TT value at best...

[Sharyn]

Not necesarely the Jag arms, but come on man, at least a "bone" of some sort ... you hit the mother of all loots, 5-10k or whatever and you can't even take a screenie ... there's nothig to remember except the 4-5 figure ped card ...

I say "some" kind of item, with "some" market values should be enclosed in uberloots ...

[Raffaele Meiers]

Originally Posted by Az Bloodz

Well what if the items has like 6k PED TT value? you need an uber HoF so it can drop. Since like the unL SIB Guns have like a 50% condition limit so they will drop with like 3k PED TT value at best...

Here it lies also a Problem with the way MA went, makeing uL Items with insanely high, not usable TT witch only can drop in Uberloots.
Why does a repairable Item need a TT of several thousands of Peds to over 20'000 Peds so they only CAN drop in the mega Uber and ATH's ?

The only explanation up to now is that MindArk wants to tie up as much Money in the Universe as possible because with each of this uL, high TT and at 50% broken weapons 100 US$ to 1000 US$ (not including Markup witch could be withdrawn by the seller) is tied up in the universe witch will be very soon several hundreds of thousand Dollars if not already more than one Million US Dollar by today and this is Money MindArk 99,99% will never have to pay out because I do not think anyone will TT a Weapon with such high Markup as the uL SIB Weapons have so they will dissapear only when MA closes this game.

I see this high TT uL SIB Weapons as a way to tie up Money in this Universe.