Question: Attachments on maxed weapons

[Immortal]

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

Jakth

I trade you 100 sweats

[Zylex]

i know for sure that scopes and lasers increase the average damage done by a weapon whether its maxed or not. some ppl i know tested this with a dmg logger a year or 2 ago. the difference is slight so you wont notice unless you get a total average. i would think they also increase your hit% and crit% but we didnt get around to testing it (crit was alot harder to test aswell they were mostly included in the averages aswell).

i thought everyone knew about this already heh =)

i garantee this and if osmeone makes a damage logger im sure there is a boatload of ppl willing to test to make sure (unless you take my word for it ofc lol)

Zy

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by GoNi

Imho it has an effect on skill increase amount in the same way as using more colors (more TT value burned) effects the skill increase when coloring.

You can see it with other weapons (not amped but different TT value and decay). Kat Determination skills faster than Axe2x0, MK-II skills faster than Jester-1, EP-41 skills faster than ManMPH.

A couple of things which I hadn't thought of until I read them here:

- as with Sirhc and Mice, it certainly seems that I get better damage and more crits with 2x Dynera + Elkarr than without.
- GoNi's quoted post makes a lot of sense and fits in with how we believe that M.A. distribute their player-generated income.
Although there is the other possibility that the decay is M.A.s wages so it won't affect loot one way or the other.

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

Scopes and sights do nothing good at all. Ever. They are a complete waste. A trick by MA to increase decay without giving anything back.













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Offering +10 @ TP

[JohnCapital]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

- GoNi's quoted post makes a lot of sense and fits in with how we believe that M.A. distribute their player-generated income.
Although there is the other possibility that the decay is M.A.s wages so it won't affect loot one way or the other.

Reread Goni's post. We're talking skill gains, not loot. We know skill gains are highly influenced by decay spent. Loot, well... We're just reasonably sure.

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Zylex

i know for sure that scopes and lasers increase the average damage done by a weapon whether its maxed or not. some ppl i know tested this with a dmg logger a year or 2 ago. the difference is slight so you wont notice unless you get a total average. i would think they also increase your hit% and crit% but we didnt get around to testing it (crit was alot harder to test aswell they were mostly included in the averages aswell).

i thought everyone knew about this already heh =)

i garantee this and if osmeone makes a damage logger im sure there is a boatload of ppl willing to test to make sure (unless you take my word for it ofc lol)

Zy

A) There is a damage logger, and no, a boatload of people have not come out of the woodwork to use it (sadly). It's not particularly useful as a damage logger because damage is a uniform distribution, both from mobs and from weapons, but it is useful to keep track of misses, and was made for that purpose. It's linked to in the thread about attachments that several people linked to earlier in this thread.
B) Weapon damage and mob damage follows a uniform distribution ("random"), as has been proved every time someone claims otherwise. You'd think "everyone knew this already", but apparently there are some that don't. A corollary to the distribution being uniform is that skill bonus attachments don't affect damage.

http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/...-promised.html

Please do link this revolutionary thread you are referring to, because no one i know believes what you claim.

[Skippie]

Unfortunate choice of idiom

what he said.

[the-unknown]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

Its really difficult to test this. Quite a few very capable people have given figuring this one out a good bash and I don't think we have any conclusive answers even now. Tbh, I don't think we'll know for sure until the day MA decide to tell us what they actually do.

The only thing we know for sure is that whatever it is they do, Marco thinks that they do it on maxed SIB guns as well as normal guns.

Maybe 2 new avatars starting off at same time - one with plain opalo, one with attachments, always team hunting (so similar location / time).

And of course same amount of ammo.

After both have maxed the opalo, the tests can be continued to see if the one with attachments get more skills as well.

Maybe if not opalos, one of the newbie L weapons (if those can be maxed faster).

Since newbies get skills faster then those who have been around, it should be pretty easy to see if there is a difference over a few days.

Of course getting two friends to start playing the game at same time may be not a very easy task .........

[Robotek]

Hi all, I wonder what you think about putting pressure on MA to reveal all the effects of attachments on maxed weapons... I mean, Isn`t this non-telling - no info on stats, somehow legally wrong, we are actually paying for the service with unknown result/effectivness or w/e... someone with a bit of legal knowledge should be able to squezze them on this issue me thinks.

Btw, thx to all for bringing this up, I remember Recoda making this kind of thread also, many other out there probably also. Kinda really important thing with no resolve, still.

Regards,
Robo

[Immortal]

Originally Posted by Robotek

somehow legally wrong,

Please keep your bitterness out of this thread.

[Robotek]

Originally Posted by Immortal

Please keep your bitterness out of this thread.

LOL, Im not bitter at all... It should be known what effect have some tool you use, no?! I think Its no big deal for MA to add this info in stats of weapons..., dunno. It just seems this is another one of those things that Its not on their "priority list".

And btw... sup with your "moderator" job...!? Heaven`t applyed for It yet?! Im sure you would contribute a lot to make ef even "cleaner" than It is now.

Cheers,
Robo