Question: what's your return rate?

[byubi]

sometimes I get 20% and sometimes 140%, but my regular return is 60-70%. my worst run was 0% return, yes 0, i sold the loot and after reaper I had nothing left.

[levithanikos]

Originally Posted by byubi

sometimes I get 20% and sometimes 140%, but my regular return is 60-70%. my worst run was 0% return, yes 0, i sold the loot and after reaper I had nothing left.

this is NOT 0%

If you had peds to repair means you had some loots, 0% would be NO LOOT for all the mobs .. maybe you did a 1 mob hunt?

[Dante]

My total average is in the 10-20% range, which will give me just enough loot to repair decay, all ammo etc spent are lost (like 20 ped loot, 20 ped repairs and 200 ped ammo shot)

I break even or profit maybe 10% on 1/100 runs. Normal run consists of 500 PED ammo

[Svarog]

Originally Posted by levithanikos

If you had peds to repair means you had some loots, 0% would be NO LOOT for all the mobs .. maybe you did a 1 mob hunt?

If you spent 100ped ammo and your loot was 50ped total, and all repairs (armor+guns+attachments+faps) after the hunt costs you 50ped, then your return is 0%. Return is a (earnings - expenses), isn't?

At least that's how most people here do count it, I believe.

[Silver Ice]

Heh, my returns are all over the place. Average? I dunno, maybe 50%. I figured a few months ago that my avatar is worth less than half of what I have deposited overall, but that is not entirely due to bad returns It doesn't bother me and I'm not complaining here, but in figuring returns, that's probably a pretty decent indicator of an average.

Some days I can go out with my soc mates on a large soc hunt and we burn over 500ped ammo each, with decent eco gear, and spam a ton a globals but all end up with about a 30% return in the end. Other days it's the same scenario with no globals and a profit for all in the end, other days we have a nice lucky HoF or 2 and profit.

I do notice though that uneco hunts always yeild a less than 20% return for me; teamed, solo, whatever; doesn't matter, unless I get extremely lucky and land a HoF. By uneco I mean using weapons/armor/faps that aren't the greatest for my skill level or aren't suited for the mob I'm hunting. (You don't need an LR48 to kill exo youngs, and using a korssH400 and emt2600 with ghost armor & 5b plates to solo hogs is a bit of a waste too but it's fun!)

For my "normal" eco solo hunts (hunting at my skill level with appropriate armor/weapons for the mob,) it's probably approx. 50% overall return, maybe a little bit higher. There are the streaks of 10% returns on occasion, and streaks of 80% return with the odd profit thrown in.

Same goes for crafting & mining runs too most of the time.

I'm certain that there are probably ways to profit all of the time, I don't doubt those who say that they do; I can even manage to stretch a PED when I need to, but, whenever I can I usually prefer to just go out and mindlessly kill stuff...it's more fun that way.

[Leona]

My average returns if i hunt in ecomode after markup is slightly above 100%. With my usually daily turnover of approx 2,5k peds (~ 10 to 12 A105 with H400) in ammo and decay it results to an monthly plus of 1K to several K peds, depends if i am in lazy mood or if i hunt for markup.

When i collected enough i do something "silly", mining with bigger amps, crafting stuff, can't say i lose really much on this activities by TT value but of course i "burn" markup that i consider as lost again.

Teamhunts are also an activity where i usually lose, but thats not an problem. I just run to my present profit / grinding mob after an bad teamhunt and in most cases get it back on same day (the missing TT-return, not the full amount of decay those useless big trox, hogglos or whatever caused ).

Of course i have my runs with very low tt-return too, like everyone. But i keep track of my assets and would say that hunting reasonable gives very very close to 100% TT-return on the long run. From variations of different mobs (higher and lower armor/fap consume) it really seems to me that only an small part of the armor/fap decay is lost, but that can sum up of course if "invested" in the wrong mob.

An golden rule that works for me: try to hunt mobs that gives about the same regular markup as the sum of fap and armordecay + the markup of the weapon i decay, then i am already in the profitzone. Ammo, ampdecay and gundecay (w/o markup) seems to come back in loot anyway, sooner or later. If i use an non maxed weapon though i add my lack of economy to my "markupgoal", i.e. 60 ped per Delta run in my case.
That markuphunting is not easy and needs steady adjustments.

Well, that markup is the key is common knowledge anyway and a bit off topic here.
So why do people report so extreme (low) returns? From reading this forum you could get the impression a part of the players is ripped off and few others are bag it all in . Well, thats actually kind of true on the short run. On the long run, from all i can see and i talk an lot with other players too, it balance out.

Most big Hofs and ATH's are an "emergency valve" but an part of the Hof is also "advance payment". Those big Hofs are mainly build up by ignorance / stubborn. Now that sounds insulting maybe and i appologize to anyone who is offended. But thats basicly how it seems to work and it is not so hard to try it out.
The question is only, how much decay/markup dit you lose on the way and is your bankroll big enough to support that quest on an mob that can drop, let's say 20k?

As i am addicted but not really an gambler i found my "pattern" of doing things in EU. If i stick with this pattern i get extreme stable returns and earn on markup, if i leave this pattern i see instantly bigger ups and downs. This pattern is not really static though, as sayd it needs sometimes daily adjustments somtimes i can stick to an pattern for weeks. I smell it anyway if something changed.

All in all, my impression is when it comes to TT-returns, the system is interactive. It is made in an way so that it adjust to the players "style".

If you want flatter loot and play at an limited bankroll you have to find the mob and area, sometimes the gear, that fits your current cylce.

If you can stand the pain of extreme up and downs, grind anything you like but still have an eye on your "passive costs" (fap/armor-decay, markup, taxes...)

Now people say "Hey, i tried everything, every mob gives me like 50% return". And when i ask what exactly the player dit try, then he tells me like 4 or 5 mob/area combinations, usually stuff that he hunts since ages and is overcrowded anyway.

Of course it is not all that simple, and if you want balanced results it is an timeconsuming hobby, not just any game you log in and start to shoot.

Some golden rules i have for solohunts:

I never hunt mobs, i hunt loot and skills.

I never keep doing something that works really bad in the hope for "the big one" because i don't have the balls to stand the downs and i don't want to end here at the forum whining.

Being active part of the economy is rewarding in more then the obvious way, i. e. the TT is the enemy when it comes to converting your loot to peds.

Well, could go on and on, but what i wanted to say, i never have seen someone who lost big in EU on the long run and lost it due too bad average TT-returns. It was always the "frictional heat" (heavy decay, high markup put in -> low markup return, lack of skill for choosen activity and or gear...) that caused the losses.

[Grrrrr]

I have been camping formidon for the past 6-8 weeks and have been recording my results on an Excel spreadsheet.

Typically I hunt in 250 ped ammo blocks. So far I have completed 33 runs and am averaging around 91% return. Now this healthy return (by EU standards anyway ) is helped by the fact that I have been lucky enough to loot 2 high tt LR59's (around 250%-270% markup).

At present I have stopped with the "project" due to some very bad returns...Somewhere around 20%-25% over the past few runs.

I'll start-up again sometime this week and see if things improve.

*fingers crossed*

[Hellfire]

Originally Posted by Svarog

If you spent 100ped ammo and your loot was 50ped total, and all repairs (armor+guns+attachments+faps) after the hunt costs you 50ped, then your return is 0%. Return is a (earnings - expenses), isn't?

At least that's how most people here do count it, I believe.

Profit = Return - Expenses

So your Expenses are 100 ped of ammo + 50 ped repairs = 150 ped

Your Return is 50 ped

Profit = 50-150 = -100 ped (a 100 ped loss)

R.O.I (return on investment) = Return/Expenses = 50/150 = 33%

Your ROI represents what percentage of your costs you were able to recoup, if its below 100% you made a loss if its above 100% you made a profit

If you spent 150 ped and got no loot then yes 0/150 = 0%
But in this case your return is 33%

Hope that all makes sense

[Xzion]

... There is such a thing as return while hunting?

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Svarog

If you spent 100ped ammo and your loot was 50ped total, and all repairs (armor+guns+attachments+faps) after the hunt costs you 50ped, then your return is 0%. Return is a (earnings - expenses), isn't?

At least that's how most people here do count it, I believe.

He he... If people count like that, these post with "I have less than 20% AVERAGE returns" makes more sense. (Though it still seem a bit low for an average)

But it's wrong. Your return is ALL your loot. Like levithanikos said.
And explanation by Hellfire is right ofc.