What makes a KS a KS?

[jak]

Originally Posted by ultimababe

If an avatar shoots a mob and, due to the game engine, it turns tail and runs to the next nearest player and they kill it, that's not killstealing...

One could almost think someone in MA wants us to have this type of arguments.... Why did MA make the system like this? In real life, or in any sane virtual life, would a creature that is being attacked run for some totally wrong person? I think if I were to shoot a deer, it would run, but if I were to shoot a bear, that bear would surly run for me, not run off to some other person...

I personally think this is a stupid thing to be programed in.... It also does not gain MA any extra income... in fact it makes the hunter have better eco as the MOBs do not decay the hunters armor...

So, MA made this change for what reason? To lose $?

LOL, I'll shut up now, guess you can tell I hate the current MOB AI

[Jimmy B]

Don't think I'm the first to say this, but for me kill stealing is when people are going about deliberately attempting to shoot mobs that someone else is clearly killing. Its when a guy with H14+A106 sees someone who has killed 25% of a mob with Breer M4, and thinks to himself 'hey I can nail this one for myself and get some of the mob cost for free!'.

The options in the poll are more about etiquette than kill stealing. Personally once I've shot at a mob I consider it mine. If it happens someone else also shot at the mob at the same time I may choose to back down and let them have it, but I don't feel obliged to. If I tag a mob and it charges someone else, I'm chasing right after it (and in any case, in many situations the other person may not appreciate you for aggroing another mob onto him, so may want you to get it back).

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Two kill steals I remember:

(i) I was hunting Feffs in the blue land. I was well into shooting a Champion with H400+A106 when a green dot, pretty much at the edge of the radar, started shooting at it too. A few seconds later it was dead, it was still right in front of me, and I got the 'this creature is claimed by someone else' message. I literally sat there with my mouth open in disbelief as the green dot scurried over, having to cross a ravine on the way, and looted the mob.

Now that's a kill steal. I honestly thought to myself 'Wow! That was amazing' and started wondering what rifle he was using.

(ii) Hunting Itumatrox at Solfais. Two green dots where on radar, one fapping one hunting. At one point I was shooting a Dominant and they both came and stood next to me. The fapper did a few faps for me when it hit me. Suddenly, when I was about 50% there, the other guy started shooting me. I died and he started shooting the mob. Turned out I had done over 50% so he couldn't even loot it, and I only had lesser tp chip and didn't get back to it in time.

Gotta admit I really didn't take that one well lol.

[dj.]

Originally Posted by slither

imo non of the points in your poll would be classed as KSing whichever side of the fight you're on. These things happen in combat when there's multiple avatars in an area, u just deal with them in the best way at the time.

KSing is when someone actively tries to take a mob from you to gain the benefit of you shooting it.

That's it in a nut-shell, in my book.

As for AI;

Normally if mobs are going back and forwards to different player's, I just accept it, even if I have shot it, I can shrug and let it go.

My attitude is probably a double-edged sword however, because if someone's tagged Atrox, runs over to me, Im likely to kill it.

If I am in an event

My manner's may lack in this case, I get hell bent on winning. However, I would not take someone's mob off them once damaged.
But I will tag mobs from them that are so far undamaged (if they are surrounded) I will also tag the next mob that green dot is running towards.
But that is only in competition circumstance's, most of the time I try not to invade anyone's space..or upset their hunting in any way.

[FJRMac]

There are so many different scenarios and personal experiences we remember. We all have our individual code of morals/ethics to abide by and different ways of interpreting rules.

This argument (and it will always be an argument) will never have a happy ending.

However, most times when there is a genuine accidental KS, a simple apology is usually enough to defuse the situation.

Rule one: During events the rules are a little looser.
Rule two: Do unto others as you would have them do to you, etc.
Rule three: 10% of every population are arseholes.

[WoenK]

Originally Posted by slither

imo non of the points in your poll would be classed as KSing whichever side of the fight you're on. These things happen in combat when there's multiple avatars in an area, u just deal with them in the best way at the time.

KSing is when someone actively tries to take a mob from you to gain the benefit of you shooting it.

Absolutely agree on that.

I do not think that the AI is really that smart right now.
Had several times were a mob was running to another ava although I was standing in front of it and had damaged it. Other ava was oftan almost off the radar. Also several times all the sudden a mob was spawning at the edge of the radar and ran past other avas directly to me, although i did not tag it.
Or it was playing ping-pong because no one really wanted it at that moment.

[levithanikos]

Originally Posted by FJRMac

There are so many different scenarios and personal experiences we remember. We all have our individual code of morals/ethics to abide by and different ways of interpreting rules.

This argument (and it will always be an argument) will never have a happy ending.

However, most times when there is a genuine accidental KS, a simple apology is usually enough to defuse the situation.

Rule one: During events the rules are a little looser.
Rule two: Do unto others as you would have them do to you, etc.
Rule three: 10% of every population are arseholes.

I would say about 50% , but they need the right moment to show themselves

For the rest i'll agree with you FJRMac

Demonikos

[Shadowmage]

I had a similar case not long ago.

I was in infight with 3 Troxies and had shot already at all three of them that they stay with me (area was kinda busy) and a guy shot at one of them with Marber, then he turned round and shot at another mob. Due he was fighting the other Trox, the Trox he lured away from me came back to me and I shot at it, short before it was finished, the other guy shot with marber at it 2 or 3 times again. I got the loot and was the kill stealer. Still don't get it...

[Dark Cat]

A lot of you have said that my options aren't really considered KS'ing in general....that was kinda my point...I didn't consider them "proper" KSing either until I was twice accused of it, so wanted to know what peoples opinions were on these....the "lesser" form of genuine kill-stealing.
Interesting that the the 2 have grouped and are still reasonably even at this point.

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by Dark Cat

A lot of you have said that my options aren't really considered KS'ing in general....that was kinda my point...I didn't consider them "proper" KSing either until I was twice accused of it, so wanted to know what peoples opinions were on these....the "lesser" form of genuine kill-stealing.

Think everyone has been accused of KS at one point or other. If it happens as a result of unfortunate timing or crazy mob behaviour I just say something like 'sorry, thought it was mine' and move out of radar from them if they go on further about it.

Happens in really busy MA events too, where there's so many people and its laggy and almost impossible to kill a mob without it being classed as a KS from someone.

[Harvest]

If your waiting on me to shoot it first...your wrong!