Help: Advise for gear upgrade please

[Staffas]

Thanx all for your advise.
This is whay I like EF, you oput down a post with something that you have been thinking about and you get lots of good responces.

It seems like I am the only one that thought that the ep41 would be a nice upgrade, so i think that I will abandon this plan.
Skilling up to lvl 60 shouldnt take that long

The A105 amp just cant be a bad upgrade.

I will also try the marber as a tagger. the advise for using the suport weapons for skilling is takin into consideration, but i prefer to use them as skilling weapons purely, and not for tagging, since when I need to tag something that usualy means that I only want one mob to come and say hi.

The Fap/EMK question, well, I might take a look around for another fap too, but my problem here is that I realy hate skilling fap (cant loot anything by fapping ), I might take a look at some other faps, mainly for inbetween combat healing, the 2600 will most likely still be my main in combat fap. I have used it for a couple of weeks now (upgraded from 2300) and i realy like the 42hp heal, for example if I hunt ambu in my OJ I normaly need to heal once per mob while I woul have to heal myself twise with the sugested 2350.
So out of lazyness i will stay with the 2600.

[Immortal]

Just so you knwo, I 'skilled' fap only on two occasion (healed someone else) when I was trying to unlock Treatment All other times it was personal use and taking on big mobs like chomper and caperon when noob (wait I r still noob ) and i hunted formics and neconu a lot in the early days which required lots of fapping with low evade (you probably need a little more evade for those... i found phasms doable around level 22...formics @ lvl 18 instead of investing in a crap weapon you could invest in some evade related skills you will certainly notcie the difference )
Spend a week on hogs and your evade levels should jump considerably :P Can't say the same necessarily for you pedcard though :p

gl

[Fjolla]

Originally Posted by Immortal

Just so you knwo, I 'skilled' fap only on two occasion (healed someone else) when I was trying to unlock Treatment All other times it was personal use and taking on big mobs like chomper and caperon when noob (wait I r still noob ) and i hunted formics and neconu a lot in the early days which required lots of fapping with low evade (you probably need a little more evade for those... i found phasms doable around level 22...formics @ lvl 18 instead of investing in a crap weapon you could invest in some evade related skills you will certainly notcie the difference )
Spend a week on hogs and your evade levels should jump considerably :P Can't say the same necessarily for you pedcard though :p

gl

Sry for off topic but do phasms really miss below lvl 30-32 evader?
I remember i noticed a differnece on how good they hit somewhere around lvl 33 evader.

[Aly]

From a nooblets point of view who has just completed a very similar upgrade..

I find using the p5a (although recent mu rise has rendered these a little more painful to buy) for my main 'eco' hunts fairly effective... I use the Marber bravo for tagging but if you want a cheap option for low lvl mobs the Groover has a reasonable range for non aggressive mobs (but would still recommend the bravo). For less eco options the Isis LR's and Geotreks aren’t to bad if you want a little more range (than the pistol) on your usual mobs.

Armour wise; If you're looking for a cheaper option, I find the ghost with 8as generally covers me well enough for the level I’m at. (replace the 8as with 5bs for impact mobs if you're not keen on L plates.. and 6a's for robot hunts.. Vigi is worth it if you find yourself in PVP areas or hunting robots a lot.. but otherwise, the 6a’s should suffice)

Fap wise: I agree on the 2600.. not very eco, but the heals per sec can be invaluable.. some of the lower lvl ek's are decent also.. I use a Hedoc for the SIB when hunting smaller mobs where I can afford a slower healing rate and the ek for my 'usual' hunts.

Not sure if that helps at all .. keep in mind this is all coming from a self confessed nooblet.. but this is what currently works for me.

Good luck with it!

Aly

[Lobbe]

I hope u will find the right gear

I'm using ghost+2a and L weapons and fap50+ some L hedoc sometimes

[Staffas]

Originally Posted by Aly

From a nooblets point of view who has just completed a very similar upgrade..

I find using the p5a (although recent mu rise has rendered these a little more painful to buy) for my main 'eco' hunts fairly effective... I use the Marber bravo for tagging but if you want a cheap option for low lvl mobs the Groover has a reasonable range for non aggressive mobs (but would still recommend the bravo). For less eco options the Isis LR's and Geotreks aren’t to bad if you want a little more range (than the pistol) on your usual mobs.

I use the Korss H400 for my eco hunts, mainly because if I want one I go and hunt feffs for a few hours and pick one or two up straight from the feffs, also gets me a nice swirley
The other reason I go with Korss H400 instead of the P5 is that with the higher attack rate I think (studied at entropedia) that the dmg/sec is higher at about the same cost.
I steped over to pistols since the dmg/sec on the carbines was about the same as on the poistols, but since I dont use a finisher I am probaly using the pistol more efficiently. And I rely like to shoot not wait for the gun/carbine to reload

Originally Posted by Aly

Armour wise; If you're looking for a cheaper option, I find the ghost with 8as generally covers me well enough for the level I’m at. (replace the 8as with 5bs for impact mobs if you're not keen on L plates.. and 6a's for robot hunts.. Vigi is worth it if you find yourself in PVP areas or hunting robots a lot.. but otherwise, the 6a’s should suffice)

I am using the Ghost now and am verry plesed with the alroundnes of the armor, with the combination of the right plate most midlvl mobs (as I consider midlvl) are ok to take down. The Solir was for crazy hunts only, for special events (like the universe wide hunting event that I am attending) when I need to get a global on a mob and then I can walk away from it.
Previous posts in the thread has advised against it, and I think that I will leave this armor for later.

Originally Posted by Aly

Fap wise: I agree on the 2600.. not very eco, but the heals per sec can be invaluable.. some of the lower lvl ek's are decent also.. I use a Hedoc for the SIB when hunting smaller mobs where I can afford a slower healing rate and the ek for my 'usual' hunts.

We are on the same page here. I love the 2600 to much to give that up for my in combat healing. I will pick up another healing tool for in between healing though.

Originally Posted by Aly

Not sure if that helps at all .. keep in mind this is all coming from a self confessed nooblet.. but this is what currently works for me.

Good luck with it!

Aly

All pointers and advise are welcome.
Thank you for taking time to try to help me.

[Immortal]

Originally Posted by Fjolla

Sry for off topic but do phasms really miss below lvl 30-32 evader?
I remember i noticed a differnece on how good they hit somewhere around lvl 33 evader.

Oh yes. Very much. So much so I took to using melee on them. Provider poses a bit of a challenge (2k health and high regen? what you say?)

I usually kill them with p5 they miss that much - i can now take mature @ lvl 31 confidently (but fap+health+armor come into play ofc). I used to take them at level 22 evader with a scorpius, however I can tell you I stood no chance at level 18 (young annihilated me and I learnt my lesson :p) I would say at my current level the matures hit 50% of the time.

[Fjolla]

Originally Posted by Immortal

Oh yes. Very much. So much so I took to using melee on them. Provider poses a bit of a challenge (2k health and high regen? what you say?)

I usually kill them with p5 they miss that much - i can now take mature @ lvl 31 confidently (but fap+health+armor come into play ofc). I used to take them at level 22 evader with a scorpius, however I can tell you I stood no chance at level 18 (young annihilated me and I learnt my lesson :p) I would say at my current level the matures hit 50% of the time.

Aha ok, i've been hunting them a lot but i don't think i ever tried them solo before i was lvl 30+ evader. I thought it would require alot more than 20-22 evader to successfully evade their attacks though since they are quite a strong mob.

ALMOST ON TOPIC: don't try phasms yet Staffas

[Miller]

Originally Posted by Oleg

Yes. Try it if you want but you'll want to change back after about 10 minutes.

I know the "argument" for & against L weapons gets a lot of people really worked up but as a practical example, a friend and I went up to CP to have a bit of a silly hunt in Dome 4. Although I like to keep track of my own pro-standing levels I rarely ask what my friends are at but either way, my friend is far more skilled than me. As a rough guide, his HP was nearly 170, my HP at the time was about 124.

He was hunting with a DOA LM + Dante, I was hunting with an HL11 and A105. Much to my surprise we were doing very similar damage. On some mobs he did a bit more, on some I did a bit more and on some we were literally equal. This was a nice surprise to me, but the bigger surprise was when we talked about the rough economy of the guns we were using. His cost per shot, ammo + decay was just under 27 pec, about 26.9. My cost per shot, including decay at over 220% for the HL11 was just under 22 pec. 5 pec cheaper for me per shot even with the terrible markup and I was doing comparable damage to an unlimited combo worth over 20k ped.

The main downside with the L guns is - as you say - having to keep buying them (particularly annoying if it's a gun in short supply) but their merits really do shine through. I try and keep two main guns on me at all times, one to hunt with, one as a spare. When the hunting-one dies I replace it and use the one I carried as a spare; that way if there's a shortage for a day or two I can still hunt.

One thing I wouldn't forget as well is that if you keep skilling hard you're "upgrading yourself". I've been skilling quite a bit lately - fast enough to see marked increases in skills and levels - and these extra skills really have made it easier to hunt things that were previously quite difficult.

A couple of months ago hunting in Dome 1 was a strain for me (that was before the VU that gave the mobs there more HP). Fighting one on one, or one on two was fine but as soon as I got mobbed - no chance. I've recently spent a couple of weeks camped up at CP and (with the same gear as before but now with mobs that have vastly more health) I've been able to hold my own against mobs of 5 or more aliens. Whereas previously I'd normally die once every 100 ped of ammo or so while camping up there with higher skills (they're not high, just higher than they were) I generally didn't die at all during an entire 400 ped hunt. The only deaths were a result of unlucky crits, "item busy" messages and being aggro'd by several mobs with a couple of them being Kreltin Olds (not good in Ghost). That was a bit of a ramble but basically as a result of skilling I am much more capable than I was before even though I'm using the same equipment. If you keep putting effort in to skilling you will begin to see real results, imho. If you can afford the risk it might even be worth camping CP for a while (on your own or with a friend) because in my opinion there is no better place for getting those skills up in a hurry.

One thing is definitely true though; a Bravo can be a real life saver if you're hunting high-aggro mobs

[Staffas]

I am moving to CND for a while now to see if I can hunt there, it will be interesting to se if I have any chanse there. I know that on my last trip (2 months and about 10 lvls ago) I had no chanse what so ever.

CP would be fun to try out, would I have any chanse there solo with Ghost 5b and hl8 a105?

Ill try to stay away from the phasms for a while