Skill Selling and Melee vs. Ranged

[sitram]

Many ppl have this misconception that if someone is stating that he/she is using 2k ped of ammo per day that is pure loose. Remember that the 2k ped ammo is spent in hunting mobs and that means the hunter will get loot from those mobs.

In EU it is hard to profit from tt, if not almost impossible, and the only way you will ever make a profit is from markup. Now it is easy to do that since everything has a markup. I think that if you make a goal in EU to break even in tt you will be able to play it for free for a long period of time, since everything has markup and some quite a lot of markup.

Let me give you an example of how those 2k ped ammo can be spend a day. Let's say a hunter with p5a has two a104 amps and use 380 ped of ammo each round to fully burn the tt of those two amps. If we make a small calculation, you will see that those 2k ped is enough for 5 runs a day, a total of 10 amps. Those 5 runs are not hard to do on a mob like ambu where all you have to do is shoot and you spend little time running around mobs or switching to a slow finisher weapon. Let's assume the hunter calculates it's return in tt+markup used vs the tt of loot gained and at the end of the day he has the fallowing numbers: -100 -85 -150 +50 +75 +200. If you add those number you will have a total of -10 ped. Now add to those numbers the markup on stuff you have looted, wich can be a gun with a nice markup on it or a few ESI's or even animal oils, wools or hides and you will get an idea on where the profit comes from. While he goes to sleep he will place almost everything he looted that day in auction to sell, and by tomorrow he will have enough peds to do a few more rounds. Immortal stated that it is good to have 2-4k ped on card at all times and you didn't understand why, but I will leave it up to you to figure that out. After all the information I have given you in the above example it shouldn't be so hard to do it.

So you see, all it takes are some initial peds to cycle and the knowledge of what mobs to hunt and which are the right ones for your level.

I hope this information will help you,
Sitram

[Immortal]

Originally Posted by Kirashi

Yes, but it can easilly make the difference between breaking even and a loss. I could run around with an UL weapon and kill bigger things if economy wasn't a consideration.

unmaxed unl weapon and maxed (L) weapon with markup eco are different.

Originally Posted by Kirashi

True, but I was just wondering what would be the fastest way to get one.

Buy off auction.

I'm not sure I would be called a 'power skiller'. I was just asking about periodically selling skills to offset cost, or to make hunting at least slightly profitable. And, my budget is roughly 10-15% of the amount you suggested stockpiling, per month. I don't use all of it for ammo and weapons, though. Sometimes I buy armor, or craft some. I don't focus exclusively on hunting, but that's where most of my money goes.

Skills do not accrue very easily in this game. I gained 7kped in skills (after esi sell) in 2 months, cycling 500-1kped a day.

How long did it take you to get that skilled? It is taking forever and a fortune to train at all, and I'm just around 10.

Remember if you are chipping out you lose 10% of your skill, and even a small esi 10.5ped requires 2000 in a skill if you are going to use the full esi (esi have min TT of 10ped).
The last two weeks my anatomy skill raised 20ped TT - which would give turnover of 75ped if i sold
In the same time, wounding increased, 11.5ped - which would give 154ped if i sold that amount
BLP i skilled for one of those weeks and gave 20.56 in blp tech - chipped out this would return 163ped/week

I nthe same time, however, I gained
4.43 ped evade - +276ped
4.21 ped first aid - +270ped

These important to my playing style, but if hunting lowlevel mobs were the only thing you ever did, then yes you could contiually chip out evade etc. As I have stated though, evade allows you to skill more effectively as you get hit less ...the turnaround of your peds is faster.

Remember to have fun.

[Kirashi]

unmaxed unl weapon and maxed (L) weapon with markup eco are different.


Buy off auction.

Well, I meant from fighting. I know auction is the fastest way in general.

Skills do not accrue very easily in this game. I gained 7kped in skills (after esi sell) in 2 months, cycling 500-1kped a day.


Remember if you are chipping out you lose 10% of your skill, and even a small esi 10.5ped requires 2000 in a skill if you are going to use the full esi (esi have min TT of 10ped).
The last two weeks my anatomy skill raised 20ped TT - which would give turnover of 75ped if i sold
In the same time, wounding increased, 11.5ped - which would give 154ped if i sold that amount
BLP i skilled for one of those weeks and gave 20.56 in blp tech - chipped out this would return 163ped/week

I nthe same time, however, I gained
4.43 ped evade - +276ped
4.21 ped first aid - +270ped

These important to my playing style, but if hunting lowlevel mobs were the only thing you ever did, then yes you could contiually chip out evade etc. As I have stated though, evade allows you to skill more effectively as you get hit less ...the turnaround of your peds is faster.

Remember to have fun.

How do you know the exact value of all the skills you have? And, if you were to sell what you gained, would you at least break even hunting?

[Immortal]

As i stated previously, loot is not predictable. e.g. in a two week period i looted 16 esi, then none for two months.

These two tools (already mentioned in this thread i think) are extremely useful for any skill calcs
http://jdegre.net/pe/scanner/
http://jdegre.net/pe/unlocker.php

I i chose to use slower (cheaper) weapons, yes it would offset the cost. My pedcard stays the same generally unless i buy new items or decide to do mining+crafting.

[Kirashi]

Originally Posted by Immortal

As i stated previously, loot is not predictable. e.g. in a two week period i looted 16 esi, then none for two months.

These two tools (already mentioned in this thread i think) are extremely useful for any skill calcs
http://jdegre.net/pe/scanner/
http://jdegre.net/pe/unlocker.php

I i chose to use slower (cheaper) weapons, yes it would offset the cost. My pedcard stays the same generally unless i buy new items or decide to do mining+crafting.

Heh, nice. No matter what I do, I seem to keep bleeding money. Maybe I have just had a bad week, or maybe you know where to hunt. I have hunted argos and Drone 1-2s, and both have been especially awful. I seem to have more luck hunting those Cornu-somethings.

[Immortal]

Originally Posted by Kirashi

Heh, nice. No matter what I do, I seem to keep bleeding money. Maybe I have just had a bad week, or maybe you know where to hunt. I have hunted argos and Drone 1-2s, and both have been especially awful. I seem to have more luck hunting those Cornu-somethings.

Whatever works for you If you can break even on cornun(dos or dacauda?) Don't let anyone else tell you that you shouldn't hunt them.