Where does the money from missed shots end up ?

[jdegre]

Originally Posted by Level

thats why in another RCE MMOG developers decided that aim is players-related not skills-related. So you only miss if you are not targeting a mob/player and you ALWAYS hit if you aim a mob/players. Thats one of deifferences between Entropia and another RCE which can steal tons of Entropia Players.

it makes perfect sense to be skills-related, as long as it is implemented correctly. i mean, if my skills say that i must miss 15% of times, that's perfect.

the problem comes when, under the same conditions, i miss more than the rest of the players, for reasons other than my avatar skills or my IRL aiming skills.

as with everything else in EU, if everybody experienced this bug, and everybody was missing the same rate, it would be ok as well. the problem is when some people don't have this bug, and others do. this gives an enormous disadvantange to the latter group. it is like buying ammo 10-15% more expensive than the rest.

[Opus3000]

Originally Posted by Rumsponge

Theoretically, when you buy the ammo, the money goes to a "loot pool". What you do with it after that has no consequence other than to determine how much you get back.

Whether Mindark gets their money from the repair terminal or from when you use an item has never been explained as far as I know. But it doesn't really matter much.

I guess it is possible, though considering you can keep the ammo for as long as you wish in your inventory, the peds you bought it for has not actually been used yet, (same could be said about probes/bombes or all items that has a tt value) so it seems odd they ammo would be part of the loot pool even if not used, since it has a tt value.

[Level]

Originally Posted by jdegre

it makes perfect sense to be skills-related, as long as it is implemented correctly. i mean, if my skills say that i must miss 15% of times, that's perfect.

LMAO
to me, it makes no fu***ng sense to aim (hit-rate) be skills-related, because if I am tareting an HUGE FUCKOFF MOB (like Eomon) in front of me and its big like a hause...Its impossible to miss if I am targeting it...like in real life

so ?

[jdegre]

Originally Posted by aridash

which is the same thing.

lag and packet loss are quite different; in the first, packets get to the server with some delay and probably out of order. in the second, the packets never get to the server, and are simply dropeed by some router in the path.

Originally Posted by aridash

there are things you can do to reduce misses, so i believe its part of the game mechanics. at the end of the day the spent ammo/pecs go into the system and somhow come back out so it really doesnt matter.

if it were part of the game mechanisms, MA surely could say so in my support cases, instead of simply saying "sorry, lag in internet is unavoidable".

regarding the loot pool, if missed shots remained in _my_ loot pool (if such a thing exists), it'd be ok. if it goes to a global pool, and ends up being looted by someone else, i don't see how this can be fair.

[CyberPunk]

even more curious than where does the ammo go is, how can you miss when you're using explosives?

I noticed when using explosives, some are duds and don't even explode, others which do explode don't do any damage.

At first thought I considered writting a support message to MA asking for my duds to be replaced, until I thought it through, I didn't buy em from MA, bought them from someone who looted them.

Buy explosives at markup, some are duds, others miss.....pay more, hit less?

[jdegre]

Originally Posted by Level

LMAO
to me, it makes no fu***ng sense to aim (hit-rate) be skills-related, because if I am tareting an HUGE FUCKOFF MOB (like Eomon) in front of me and its big like a hause...Its impossible to miss if I am targeting it...like in real life

so ?

by "skills" - related, i mean "avatar skills" - related, which is (i think) the same as you were saying: if i'm correctly targeting a mob, and my avatar skills say that i must miss 15% of those "correct" shots, then i should miss 15%, not more.

[Opus3000]

Originally Posted by Level

LMAO
to me, it makes no fu***ng sense to aim (hit-rate) be skills-related, because if I am tareting an HUGE FUCKOFF MOB (like Eomon) in front of me and its big like a hause...Its impossible to miss if I am targeting it...like in real life

so ?

I have considered that since this game is "dynamic" perhaps my avatar was born extremely nearsighted, mob size doesnt matter at all, however a small observation is that i hit less and less the greater the range I stopped using marbers since i never actually hit more then 50% of the time when using them....

[Level]

Originally Posted by jdegre

by "skills" - related, i mean "avatar skills" - related, which is (i think) the same as you were saying: if i'm correctly targeting a mob, and my avatar skills say that i must miss 15% of those "correct" shots, then i should miss 15%, not more.

"skills" about which I am talking are "avatar skills", and I posted that in another MMOG avatar skills do not influence on Hit-Rate, your hit rate there is always 100% if you are targeting mob/player. There are no skills saying: "your chance to miss is 10%" there is no such BS
And I think thats how it should work.

[Nyxy]

Originally Posted by jdegre

because, from _all_ the bugs i've seen in EU, this bug is the one that can make me cash out and leave once and for all.

Exactly the same here. I feel lucky if I can kill a mob without missing every couple shots (on a maxed gun ofc). I don't think these shots are wasted ammo though - I hope!. On occassions that moment when I miss my shots, two or three in a row, becomes 5 or more seconds long when I can clearly see ammo not decreasing while shooting. Even if ammo is not wasted, it's still annoying as hell . IMO, missed shots are nothing but frustration and should be removed (compensated in reduced damage output or something to keep the current balance) -- so if I miss I will know it's because I'm either out of range or my aim is bad.

(Sorry for a bit off-topic.)

[ruskea]

Originally Posted by jdegre

i really don't want to think on where does this money go...

because, from _all_ the bugs i've seen in EU, this bug is the one that can make me cash out and leave once and for all.

hunting in a area with no lag whatsoever, and having 20-25% missed shots with maxed weapons is just plain wrong.

or countless nrfs while mining. which usually gets fixed with relog.. in cnd that bug is really hard to notice but in earth pretty easy...

last time on cnd lost 1700ped coz of that bug