Question: Is item spliting in teams fair or not?

[sob]

Originally Posted by Fopsie

Theory is based on trying to find an answer for discrepancies between loot that does not seem to fit in with the other theories. Like why would one player in a team loot a 100 PED item while all the other items the team loot is below 10 PED or a solo hunter that scores global after global while some goes for more then a year without getting a global. Decay cant be the pure factor in determining the value of the item nether can skill or a combination of both.

In other words, your theory is based on luck?
How are the scenarios I stated in my previous post any different that what you wrote here?
When an item has a high tt value its impossible to split it within a team unless you do so outside the team rules set by the team leader.

In your case would all stackable items not be included in your theory (unless you do all the damage)? Because the stackable items are very much shared and cant be dependent on "personal loot balance".
Do non stackable items have special attributes?
Do single stackable items have the same special attributes as the non stackable items?

If people go a year without a global its because they barely hunt or they hunt chirpies (even a chirpy would most likely give a global after 1 year of intense hunting).
If people get global after global its because they hunt alot or have a high turnover.

Originally Posted by Fopsie

Luck plays a role but what is luck in EU? Is it purely randomization coding or is it a combination of history and randomization that gives veteran players that cycled more PED and has more skill a better chance at getting a rare item or better loot. No theory is foolproof or 100% correct as a noob comes along and blows everything down by getting an HOF or ATH.

LOL we may all be way wrong and it may be purely randomizing coding that determines loot / it may be predetermined that that mob will give that loot it may even bee someone that presses a button that gives you loot We will nether know

If you ask about luck being a combination of history and random code, or just random code I would have to say its random code. So far I have seen no reason why history should be included or why MA would implement that. And why should luck only apply on stackable items?
A better word for luck (that people like to give magical attributes to) in this case is probability. You are more likely to throw a 6 if you throw a dice several times. The more you throw it the better your chances are. Hunting, from my experience, works the same way.

[Vulcan0]

If you don't like how the loot (items) are split then simply don't join the team. I personally would never join a team that did not split the value of items or high valued items.

[Ardorj]

While looking at Frank's Start Smart topic, I stublemed across the signature of Joser, that is a quote from JimmyB.

Originally Posted by JimmyB

Not looting the mobs you kill is a bad strategy.

Originally posted here.
If MindArk keeps track of everything we do and loot, then not looting the mobs you kill is't be a bad strategy. If you are still not convinced, please conduct this simple test.

Run 0.0: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run 1.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run 1.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run 2.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run 2.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run X.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run X.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.

Every secondary hunt (with 100 PEDs) will have a huge profit to compensate you for the 1000 PED loss runs.



PS. Don't hold your results back from the dumbfolded communist retarded masses.

[Karmic]

Lol at communism suddenly meaning sharing the profits with the people that did the work. Fopsie, it's like if 4 of your friends each gave you a buck to do a $5 pull, you won and refused to share it with them because you are the one that pulled the lever. As for the test above, I'll go ahead and provide the answer to the question I posed earlier. I won a hunt with star, looter takes all, used almost none of my own ammo, looted about 1k ped, returns after that unchanged. Did another one, spent 0 ammo only looted 3-400 ped or so, returns after unchanged, did one with stoikow, looted 800 ped spent 0 ammo, returns after unchanged. I know it's only 2k worth of "personal loot pool" gained with almost no ammo spent, but I've been waiting a few months now for the huge hunting valley to take it back and it hasn't happened. Oh yeah, I record every hunt, I would notice if there was a severe change in my loot patterns.

[Witte]

Originally Posted by Ardorj

While looking at Frank's Start Smart topic, I stublemed across the signature of Joser, that is a quote from JimmyB.



Originally posted here.
If MindArk keeps track of everything we do and loot, then not looting the mobs you kill is't be a bad strategy. If you are still not convinced, please conduct this simple test.

Run 0.0: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run 1.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run 1.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run 2.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run 2.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run X.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run X.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.

Every secondary hunt (with 100 PEDs) will have a huge profit to compensate you for the 1000 PED loss runs.



PS. Don't hold your results back from the dumbfolded communist retarded masses.

This does remind me of people that claim that low skills = more loot. They never have the guts to actually chip out. They feel rather save with the idea they get screwed over for some reason.

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by Witte

This does remind me of people that claim that low skills = more loot. They never have the guts to actually chip out. They feel rather save with the idea they get screwed over for some reason.

Indeed.

Not totally sure Ardorj isn't being ironic but if not - if you think hunting 1000 PED and not looting will be compensated for in the next 100 PED of hunting.....then by all means do some tests like you describe and show us the results. I'd be interested to see them.

Personally, I think I'd probably just lose 1000 PED so I'm not in any hurry to try it.

[Profit]

Communism

[DoubleWolf]

Originally Posted by Ardorj

If MindArk keeps track of everything we do and loot, then not looting the mobs you kill is't be a bad strategy. If you are still not convinced, please conduct this simple test.

Run 0.0: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run 1.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run 1.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run 2.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run 2.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.
Run X.1: Hunt with 1000 PEDs and don't loot the mobs.
Run X.2: Hunt with 100 PEDs and loot the mobs.

Every secondary hunt (with 100 PEDs) will have a huge profit to compensate you for the 1000 PED loss runs.



PS. Don't hold your results back from the dumbfolded communist retarded masses.

I would be VERY interested in seeing the results of a test like that. I'll be damned if I'm the one to take on that experiment though! (spelled "though" not "tho" for the little grammar lesson you guys had on the previous page...)