Question: Is item spliting in teams fair or not?

[Lee]

Witte, there is no 'leader takes all' option anymore, been gone for a long time now sadly.

I may get rotten tomatoes thrown at me for saying this, but personally I am a strong believer in the 'personal loot pool', i.e. I believe loot is avatar based primarily, with factors such as amount spent on ammo/repairs, whether from rl funds or building up of peds, skills, etc etc counted in along with ofc the mob, location etc, plus some luck and basically a nice loot means that your avatar's number was up at that place and time and mob, team or solo. Until MA tells us once and for all how the loot system works, we all have no choice but to come up with our own theories, and none are provable at the end of the day.

However, despite that, I tend to do team hunts for fun, not loot, and more often than not those teams are 'unbalanced' in some way, so yeah, the guy with more skills/higher dmg weapon get more of the loot, and the guy with less gets less. I understand completely though that my idea of a personal loot pool is not widely shared, and the accepted rule of team hunts now is item split, the amount is usually any item over 50ped tt, and I don't have a problem with that myself, but it does cause headaches at times when someone gets something nice they would like to keep for example, and they either have to sell it or buy it out to split, leading sometimes to some unhappy feelings I think. There is also a trend lately to make it not just the tt value but the current mu counted in. That to me is just getting way too complicated honestly, the person selling takes the costs of putting it on auction etc, and no quarantee it will sell for that mu.

I go with the flow generally however, don't mind splitting items over 100 or 50tt, think a split at any lower value is pushing it, and taking mu into account, is just too much hassle for what to me is a simple bit of fun with friends. Most happily share a big item loot with the team, but I do know of many who refuse to team hunt at all because they don't think it is at all 'fair', what you loot is what you loot. To me fairness is not a black and white thing so I couldn't vote on your poll, if all are happy, it is fair enough

[Az Bloodz]

Originally Posted by Lee

Witte, there is no 'leader takes all' option anymore, been gone for a long time now sadly.

I may get rotten tomatoes thrown at me for saying this, but personally I am a strong believer in the 'personal loot pool', i.e. I believe loot is avatar based primarily, with factors such as amount spent on ammo/repairs, whether from rl funds or building up of peds, skills, etc etc counted in along with ofc the mob, location etc, plus some luck and basically a nice loot means that your avatar's number was up at that place and time and mob, team or solo. Until MA tells us once and for all how the loot system works, we all have no choice but to come up with our own theories, and none are provable at the end of the day.

Looks like you are a firm believer of every loot theory around mixing them all together

[Witte]

Originally Posted by Lee

Witte, there is no 'leader takes all' option anymore, been gone for a long time now sadly.

I stand corrected, although for the sake of the argument is doesn't matter if the option is called "leader takes all" or "most damage takes all" or "looter takes all". My point is the same.

[Drave Robber]

Originally Posted by Fopsie

I wish MA could clarify the loot system.

MA won't.

myself, i wish we could stop wasting our time on theories that don't stand Occam's razor.

these theories won't help shifting the blame as there is no blame to be shifted. whatever "sharing rules" we might construct, we have no way to enforce them. people will make their own choices anyway, regardless of what I, you or anyone else might have told or not told them. that's why i strive to refrain from telling people what to do - so they wouldn't tell me where to go.

you made your choice. it's your own conscious decision and as such it's ok with me as long as you don't pretend it happened somehow otherwise.

on a side note, if you're going to report any of the people who insulted you, i am ready to submit an amicus curiae brief to MA with more info.

on another side note, the whole concept of 'fairness' is just a bubble that serves no purpose other than justifying greed of some people. earlier yesterday, i forwent my share of an item because some people thought they were somehow entitled to extra 98 pecs because one of team members logged off before receiving his share. was it fair in any conceivable meaning of the word? no, lol. did it help keep the business running? yes.

[Lee]

Originally Posted by Az Bloodz

Looks like you are a firm believer of every loot theory around mixing them all together

Te he, yeah I guess maybe that is true. Just seen enough to feel sure it is avatar specific first and foremost, you can 'camp' a spot or mob for ages, if it isn't your 'time' you still get jackshit from the effort

[Dorsai]

Ok, consider this.

YOu are in a team of 11, and you loot an Atrox Eye.

The TT is 11 ped, so splitting that 11 ped evenly with the 10 others will only leave you out of pocket by your calculations by 10 ped.
however the eye can be sold for about 40k peds, so keeping the item all for yourself is actually cheating the other 10 out of 3.6k peds each!

I always share looted high value items, so that when someone else gets one with a hefty mark-up or TT, the looter knows that I share, and that means I will get a share. That to me is fare.

[wobbledag]

Originally Posted by Fopsie

how can it even out in the end ??? If it works the way I see it then the only way it will work out fair is if everyone loots an item during that hunt with the same TT value. Remember this gos behond the team into lone hunting as a player and not as a team. Now yes if the item had like a 100 ped markup I see no problem in spliting the markup of that item between the members as MA focuses on TT value and not markup value of items. But with an item thats worth like 103% TT I can not see it as being fair to split the TT value of the item. Perhaps I should have added some more option like, Its fair to split only the markup value / fair to split only the tt value / Unfair to split the markup value / unfair to split the TT value.

They also did not say anything about item share when they ran arround saying "opalo / CB5 swunt team SW of tp" so there is no way of those that does not know of it to know. Its not the person that joins the teams responsibilaty to ask if there is any other special rules exept the loot distribution rules that that player can see after joining the team and the rules that was said when advertising the team. I for one say that the team leader should anounse special rules to new team members when he joins them as that will stop messes like this from happening.

Cynically, I suspect if one of your team "friends" had looted a mod fap and not split with you, you would be here screaming for a split rule

[Slippery]

Every one i free to believe what they like. But relay!!??!!

You guys are saying that deposit, decay, what kind of avatar, location, time, combination of time and location, how many globals/hofs you get, item loot, team recordings of loot, personal loot, different skillgains, ads on off, luck, what kind if weapon you use, what kind of mob you hunt, how long you used this weapon on this specific mob, if you find fruit and how much fruit affect the loot you are getting. Relay?? (missed any??)

But sure every one is free to believe what they like. Don't you guys think there is a little to many factors here? But hey pick the ones you like and believe it.

By the way I believe that the type of computer you have will effect the loot. How many FPS you have is a big factor on the loot

[jenny ferr]

Originally Posted by Slippery

By the way I believe that the type of computer you have will effect the loot. How many FPS you have is a big factor on the loot

Ohh I believe you best theory yet, I should get a ath now as I need a new computer to play cry2 on full settings


PS. couldn't vote either as I think it all evens out in the long run anyway.

[aridash]

Originally Posted by Witte

IMO your argument is just disproving that loot is recorded on a personal level.

exactly, in a nutshell. one cant say "OMG the system isnt fair" because it dosent conform to the model you believe it to. I have long thought the team loot sort of proves the strong "accounting" personal loot pool theory to be incorrect. thats not to say it means that there cant be a lighter personal loot pool influence.

another issue is that in damage decides, the highest value item does not go to the person who done the most damage, something to think about in teams with people you dont know and largly different damage ability. The actual mechanism to access and split loot is flawed, so how can the system be tracking each and every pec in and out?