Question: Is item spliting in teams fair or not?

[Fopsie]

Ok well after last nights fiasco at Nea's I decided to make this post about splitting the value of an looted item between the team members.

This is why I see it as being unfair towards the looter.

The way I see this is that MA tracks everything you spend and loot as a player and not as a team. They do how ever track damage and split the stackables according to that. That amount also gets reflected on your record of loot. So if one player for argues sake loots an item to the value of 100 ped and then some stackables in a ten man team it will show in the records that that player got 100 PED + the TT of the stackables from the loot pool and the rest got the stackables TT from the loot pool. Not show everyone got 10 ped + their stackables from the loot pool. There is no way of also saying that that person would not have looted something to the same value if he went and hunted alone and the chanses is good that that person would have.

Now the problem I see in this is that its a potential 100 PED less loot your likely to get as you have already been marked as looting it so in splitting the value of that item your in fact being cheated out of your own loot.

Some may argue that some noobs score it lucky soon off and gain a nice big loot perhaps even with a extremely rare item but I believe that that noob will also experience worse returns then the rest till his record is rebalanced so in asking that person to split it just depletes his PEDs and does not change the fact that he’s going to lose more in hunting for some time. That’s why I would nether ask anyone to split the value of the items they looted in my team even if that person is a complete noob. Ill be a bit upset if a noob looted like an ML-35 and I got a few 100 PEDs worth of loot purely because I wanted that item but that still does not change my view on the splitting of the value of that item or TT of that item.

I don’t usually hunt in teams or do Swunt so if I was informed that items must be split I would not have joined the team. If someone from MA can however confirm that the entire teams loot value gets evenly distributed in the records even though they looted different amounts I will split the TT value of the item between the team but I highly doubt that MA will do it that way as its highly unfair towards those that got like 1 animal oil res but gets marked as taking 50 animal oil res from the loot pool. The reason why I say its on a per player basis and not on a team basis is because of the add system. Its unlikely that MA will penalize everyone in the team if someone in the team has their adds turned off and does not gain access to the higher loot as there is no way of knowing who has adds turned on or off so the team can not choose to not allow that person. Then there is also the fact that some could have spent more then the others on killing the mob and thus deserves more loot.

I see a player’s record as being similar to a bank account. You deposit into it (spent ammo / decay / resources used) and you withdraw from it (loot). So if your bank account goes into the red you first have to deposit to get it back in the green before you can withdraw again. Sometimes you get credit and can withdraw more then your limit but you always have to pay that amount back in the end. You dont have the freedom to withdraw the amount you please when it suits you as MA is a wery uptight bank.

This thread is intended on hearing everyone’s views on how loot is distributed on player and team basses and if it is fair to split the value of a looted item between the team members or not. So I ask if anyone ells still thinks I stole from them last night by not wanting to split the TT of the item this is not the place to complain about it and to please take it up with MA. As I said if MA confirms that everyone in the team gets recorded as taking the same amount from the loot pool or if it does not make a difference towards future loots I will split the value of the item with the team but pure speculation is not enoth of a reason.

If you vote please also provide a reason for your vote.

[Matho]

When you hunt in a team you should have team-thinking too.

For me it isnt fair or unfair. Item is just a good loot and few peds which will lower loss or will increase plus for everyone.

[Ianus]

Well if u have opinions about how things share in team u should allways ask at the beginning of the hunt what is the loot distribution; if u don't like it don't join; simple as that; and if u don't ask especially if u team with some strangers don't expect from them to tell u how was the team made of; imo not one option from there is totally fair from my point of view but i ask at the begining what is the type and accept the consequences;

[Norbert]

Depends on the agreement at the start of the hunt really, but swunts at Nea's they usually do split the items if any are looted. At the end of the day though if you looted it then it's up to you, nobody can force you to split.

[gix]

I'm not going to vote because "fairness" isn't the issue.

The simplest, relatively fair system for team hunting is stack share with splitting of big items. Anything else gets too complicated.

Team hunting is essentially about a shared experience - and if you do enough of it any "unfairness" evens out over time anyway.

[Witte]

IMO your argument is just disproving that loot is recorded on a personal level.

[Fopsie]

how can it even out in the end ??? If it works the way I see it then the only way it will work out fair is if everyone loots an item during that hunt with the same TT value. Remember this gos behond the team into lone hunting as a player and not as a team. Now yes if the item had like a 100 ped markup I see no problem in spliting the markup of that item between the members as MA focuses on TT value and not markup value of items. But with an item thats worth like 103% TT I can not see it as being fair to split the TT value of the item. Perhaps I should have added some more option like, Its fair to split only the markup value / fair to split only the tt value / Unfair to split the markup value / unfair to split the TT value.

They also did not say anything about item share when they ran arround saying "opalo / CB5 swunt team SW of tp" so there is no way of those that does not know of it to know. Its not the person that joins the teams responsibilaty to ask if there is any other special rules exept the loot distribution rules that that player can see after joining the team and the rules that was said when advertising the team. I for one say that the team leader should anounse special rules to new team members when he joins them as that will stop messes like this from happening.

[sob]

Whatever you agreed upon when creating the team is fair.

[ForrestPark]

Well, large items need to be split when hunting in a team, of course.

The only problem is defining the "threshold market value" for the item. My threshold of choice would be about 100 ped.

Sometimes I have been in hunts where the limit is set to 10 ped and all the work required at the end to split the item(s) is a bit of a time waste!

Forrest

[Drave Robber]

Originally Posted by Fopsie

Ok well after last nights fiasco at Nea's I decided to make this post about splitting the value of an looted item between the team members.

*yawn* and i hoped the case will be closed.

well, these are my beliefs about loot distribution:

1. I see no reason to believe MA keeps track of your loot, "marks" your loots or anything like that. if that would be the case i would never get any loot at all as a non-depositor. that also would be a waste of database space because no "earmarking" is needed as the law of big numbers works wonders in the long run.

2. the stack share algorithm isn't perfect, but neither we can make it perfect. myself, i don't attempt to make it perfect, just to improve the outcome in a feasible way.

3. hence, i split all non-stackable items (even pixie and goblin parts ) and hangar parts equally between all team members, including those who were dead or away at the moment loot happened. under no circumstances, i would redistribute other loot as clear rules to do so cannot be construed.

side notes:

4. to avoid unnecessarily complicating the issue, i avoid unbalanced teams. by the way, it's also the reason Nea's swunts are "opalo/cb5, no amp" only.

5. i believe that at the end of the day, regardless of all previous "agreements", splitting loot is up to everyone's own conscience, and nobody should make demands on anyone. hence, (3.) is what i do myself, not expect from anyone else.

the guy who demanded that you split the item was already making silly demands before (like an extra share of loot because one of team members left before receiving his share). therefore:

a. that guy is on my personal blacklist now.

b. given his aggressive tone, i can understand quite well why you ran away with those shin guards.

An ending note:

if you think the way loot works is too complicated, think of karma. it may have an even more complicated mechanism.