Mob Damage Studies - Circa 2008

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

Daikiba Old Alpha does 65 Impact and 13 Stab.

So another confirmation on top of the Attacker that different mob maturities can actually do different damage types.

I think we can look at this as a different thing again. It's more like the stab damage is 'unlocked' at a certain maturity. So the Daikiba Old damage could be considered as more like 21 Impact and 0 Stab.

The fact that the Stab damage becomes a factor at some point (Dominant would be my guess) explains why Daikibas are notorious for becoming much more difficult at high maturities.

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by Kolobok

224 bottles of sweat. This is a nice amigo to test with, as it gives some skills and some sweat while testing and is almost never tired of hitting you

Nice job Kolobok, and yeah I was sweating the Daikibas too - as soon as I realised I didn't have to actually hit them to make them come back when they wandered off (that being a problem with the Old which I couldn't keep alive long enough )

Daikiba Old Alpha sweats quite well lol, although the fap decay makes it pointless

Originally Posted by Oleg

I think we can look at this as a different thing again. It's more like the stab damage is 'unlocked' at a certain maturity. So the Daikiba Old damage could be considered as more like 21 Impact and 0 Stab.

Yeah true.

[Kolobok]

Merp Prowler:

Goblin test: dmg taken min: 12.7 max 37.1
Gnome+5a test: dmg taken min 7.0 max 31.1

I think we can safely conclude that Merp Prowler does only impact and stab, with maximum dmg of 49 (instead of wiki value of 50), max impact 35 and max stab 14. Stab/impact percentage is 29% / 71%. Again, the last number for goblin (37.1>37.0) can be attributed to armor decay during the test.

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by Kolobok

Merp Prowler:

Goblin test: dmg taken min: 12.7 max 37.1
Gnome+5a test: dmg taken min 7.0 max 31.1

I think we can safely conclude that Merp Prowler does only impact and stab, with maximum dmg of 49 (instead of wiki value of 50), max impact 35 and max stab 14. Stab/impact percentage is 29% / 71%. Again, the last number for goblin (37.1>37.0) can be attributed to armor decay during the test.

Nice job Kolobok! I was about to suggest that max dmg = 50 was still possible but now I see the 12.7 hit rules it out.

The damage ranges should be 12.5-37.0 (Goblin), 6.5-31.0 (Gnome+5A). So you've gone a little over on both tests but it doesn't take too many hits before the armor can start leaking an extra few 0.1 HP so that's to be expected.

[Jimmy B]

Study of Atrox Old

Right, here's one to make your brains hurt on Christmas morning!

We observed some odd results whilst testing armor decay with atrox which suggested the long-standing 33% Impact, 33% Cut, 33% Stab is not accurate. Its a pretty tough one to test, as separating Cut and Stab is very difficult when the mob does both. I got there in the end though. Feel free to skip the reasoning parts and jump to the conclusion, but I include it so someone can check my logic.

Naked vs Atrox Old

Min Hit: 28.3
Max Hit: 55.6

So Atrox Old has 56 max damage.

Goblin vs Atrox Old

An 18.4 hit caused me to decay 0.822 in Goblin. That corresponds to exactly 12 damage absorbed.

So we know that in a 30.4 hit, at least 12 of it is Impact. Thus Impact is at least 12/30.4=39.47% of the damage. Thus the max impact is at least 39.47% times 56 = 22.11. But we know the max impact must be an integer so it must be at least 23.

Vigilante vs Atrox Old

Hit    Decay   Absorbed
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7.9    2.398     28.3    
16.1   2.841     32.3

Right, the first hit was for 36.2. We know at least 23/56=41% of that must be impact. That is 14.9.

However, we also know that vigi has absorbed 7 Impact, and since we were hit for 7.9 (some or all of which could be impact) the trox did no more than 14.9 Impact.

The two facts taken together imply the trox did exactly 14.9 Impact, which implies that the max impact damage of Atrox Old is 23.

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The second hit was for 48.4 damage. We now know that 48.4*23/56=19.9 of that is Impact, leaving 28.5 for Cut and Stab. We absorbed 32.3 damage, 7 of which was Impact. So we absorbed 25.3 Cut and Stab.

Since we're protecting 14 Cut and 14 Stab, and since we know there was 28.5 Cut and Stab of which we protected 25.3, we know that one of Cut and Stab did 17.2 damage (Thus we took 3.2 unprotected which adds to the 12.9 unprotected impact to make the 16.1) and the other did 11.3 damage and was totally absorbed.

56 x 11.3 / 48.4 = 13
56 x 17.2 / 48.4 = 20

Thus an Atrox Old does 23 Impact, 20 Cut/Stab, 13 Stab/Cut.

Predator (L) vs Atrox Old

Min Hit: 2.6

Predator protects 11 Impact, 9 Cut, and 6 Stab. On a min hit from an atrox old it is facing either (11.5 Impact, 10 Cut and 6.5 Stab) or (11.5 Impact, 6.5 Cut, 10 Stab).

Clearly it must be the first which has a min hit of 2.0. If it was the second the min hit would be 4.5.

Conclusion

Atrox Old does 56 damage of which 23 is Impact, 20 is Cut and 13 is Stab.

That is 41% Impact, 36% Cut, 23% Stab.

[Jimmy B]

Right, I haven't tested for breakdowns as I was planning on having the day off from this thread

But I did a bit of armor decay data gathering which has illuminated an interesting wiki error.

First up, trying to get Impact and Cut, I went to see some Formicacidas. It turns out I wasn't getting enough decay for them to be impact/cut. I was getting 23 dmg decay in Zombie - the only sensible explanation of that was that they are doing Cut and Stab and something else that Zombie protects 1.0 against.

I went back with Goblin+6A. The 6A does not decay. The Goblin decays as a 9 dmg hit would. Thus, rather surprisingly:

Formicacida (Weak) does not do Impact and Cut: it does Cut, Stab and Acid

[Deleted stuff about Molisk]

[JohnCapital]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

Formicacida (Young) does not do Impact and Cut: it does Cut, Stab and Acid

Doesn't really surprise me too much. The description for those describe them as "venomous". In fact when I 1st read the description long ago, I thought for sure they did acid, but was surprised when wiki listed no acid for them. Obviously faulting testing.

Tsk tsk was another one I thought did acid due to their description, but your testing when they arrived didn't bear that out.

But acid from big molisk? No way. Penetration makes much more sense.

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

Doesn't really surprise me too much. The description for those describe them as "venomous". In fact when I 1st read the description long ago, I thought for sure they did acid, but was surprised when wiki listed no acid for them. Obviously faulting testing.

Tsk tsk was another one I thought did acid due to their description, but your testing when they arrived didn't bear that out.

But acid from big molisk? No way. Penetration makes much more sense.

What surprised me more was that the Formicacida didn't do Impact. I'm guessing what happened was someone stood in front of them with Goblin and saw it decayed, and assumed it was decaying for impact rather than acid.

Those descriptions can be quite misleading, I wouldn't read too much into them. Itumatrox says something about venom or poisonous too, but does no acid.

Ignore the comment about molisk. I went back to one of the same maturity in Goblin+6A. The goblin decayed for 12 impact and the 6a didn't decay ruling out Acid and Penetration. The only other thing left is Shrapnel which seems rather unlikely. I tried an Argo Leader for Impact/Cut and got the same decay as I had on the Molisk. So must have been a 29 hit after all, and we have some stray data elsewhere in the decay thread.

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

Tsk tsk was another one I thought did acid due to their description, but your testing when they arrived didn't bear that out.

Oy, that was me

[Jimmy B]

OK, nothing particularly exciting to report on this one, but figured I'd do it since, um, I can.

First up, to confirm