Land Grab 2008 - Page 7

Tamn · 02-21-2008, 07:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMark

Amen to that Darker Star...

I'll make that a second amen

Darker_Star · 02-21-2008, 08:58

Ok, just want to be sure I follow your logic...

Now, we have 12 or more, very high level players, all with uber weapons, FAPs, Res Chips, Plus all of the Limited Toys such as I can get and of course more.....and they need the 5 mins revive....

Now, let me be sure I understand this...

Lets take a society of players, say, something like myself...157 HP, a couple of limited guns like an X1 and a Procercuter(sp), Limited FAP that does 100 heal a pop...but, of course, no Eon, Shadow, whatever, no ML-35's and other uber toys...

If I look at this and try to understand what you are saying, please let me know if i'm wrong, my whole society could attack a few of an uber society, and if lucky, we would live about 5 mins..., now, we have to wait for 5 mins to return to battle, the ones we attacked, with a few clicks of their FAPs are ready to go...

So, your post must be not dealing with socities made up of players such as myself...

So...logic..

The post must be directed toward other uber socities...now, they have the same toys you do, the same HP..etc..

The battle between uber socities, must either be very equal, or then some uber socities are more uber than others..i.e....yep, we want the 'super-uber to have to wait, after all, there are more of us and we are near their skills, if we can keep them out then our number will count?"

Of course, I have no clue as to what it is like to be uber, I have no clue as to the 'dealings' that take place between 'uber' socities with each other...I can only 'assume' and we all know that only makes an ass out of u and me.

But, to be frank...I don't follow the 'logic' of your statement that the 5 min. rule is needed..all things being equal, how would it help or hurt an uber socity...I can see how it would and will hurt a society that is not uber, but wanted to play a bit, with a small hope of maybe lightning might strike, (with LA being setup in two different waves...no chance of that happening)

Now as of your statement, "this Land Grab is in 3 waves as all others were in the past.", is also, a point I'd like to make, ...WHY...this only helps the upper socities and does not allow mid-range our upper mid-range have any chance at all...so, in effect you are saying...Yep, has always been for us and should always be...", Sorry, I beg to differ...Those of us who are not lucky to have your funds, BUT, have put in the times, should be allowed a hope, no matter how small, of being able to step up to bat...but, alass, its not to be...

Just mY Two Cents...

DS..

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Originally Posted by Mercury

This Land Grab is in 3 waves as all others were in the past. Any of you people that think that MA is favoring M2S are probably unaware of the past Land Grabs for societies I was a part of. My first Land Grab I had to deal with the rule of 12 hours to claim a land area. I was only at 110 hp but had a set of eon and 2600/2500 deluxe faps with me. My society held onto LA 1 from the old version of the Desert Rangers society which featured legends such as Jor, Starman, Qualia, Proppen, and Prodiq as I remember. We had about 5 hours of constant fighting with me alone in many cases, but eventually my 2600 fap broke and with that went our chance of gaining land.

We then moved on and took BAHQ's LA out from Rony's hands with some very shady tactics while I was chatting him (my leader at the time's decision - not my decision to open fire during the chat). 2 to 3 hours after claiming this LA from BAHQ, we lost it to an attack by Calypso Conquerors (an old and famous society) and the Coat Killers (ofc well known as well). When all was said and done, I'd been in combat for 26 hours straight and ended up with no land areas. Anyone that has ever been in pvp combat at land grab knows that 5 minutes feels like 1 hour. Now turn that into 26 hours and you'll see that I came out demoralized and devastated by the loss, as did my society.

I've never felt like a favorite or an uber during pvp. I know I can pK with the best of them, but I still play like I have 110 HP and have little chance of getting a LA in LG. I always felt like MA would find some way to make Warants get their way. I don't feel that way anymore; Mindark is not on anyone's side in combat.

It sucks that they put this during the week, but I'd guess that they don't want to have all of their staff come in on weekends if they can help it. The 5 minute rule may be a bit longer than it should have been, but I can say that anyone that has a legitimate chance during LG recognized that 1 minute wasn't enough.

1 minute only allows for like 45 seconds to kill off an entire society after killing their toughest member. Imagine killing off someone like Skalman and then having to finish off the rest of his society within 45 seconds. I say 45 seconds because we know there is a 30 second timer to return within 30 meters of the claim marker. We also know that a player can charge and tp within 15 seconds.

60 seconds time out + 15 seconds to tp back (most can do in less time) = 75
75 seconds - 30 seconds buffer to get back to claim = 45 seconds

It is impossible to kill 12 people with Eon and 250 hp in 45 seconds, no matter how many people attack. This doesn't even take into account tactics such as having 1/2 the players at the claim and the other 1/2 sitting 1 lesser jump from the claim waiting for the rest to die, then tping into the zone within 30 seconds.

1st of 6 players die @ 0 second
other 5 of 6 players die @ 1 second
25 second wait by remaining 6 players 1 lesser jump away, then they tp directly onto the claim @ 26 second
those 6 players all die @ 27 second
timer expires @ 57 second and the claim is claimable by anyone!

That is saying that you'd have to kill the first 6 players in 1 second total. Then proceed to kill the other 6 players in 1 second total. That's really easy right?

You'd even have 3 seconds to spare! With the way aim is during LG, killing 1 player in full eon typically takes no less than 10 seconds even if they only have 100 hp.

5 minute rule neccessary as you can see or at the very least 3 minutes.

Gray Darkman · 02-21-2008, 09:43

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Originally Posted by Mercury

This Land Grab is in 3 waves as all others were in the past. Any of you people that think that MA is favoring M2S are probably unaware of the past Land Grabs for societies I was a part of. My first Land Grab I had to deal with the rule of 12 hours to claim a land area. I was only at 110 hp but had a set of eon and 2600/2500 deluxe faps with me. My society held onto LA 1 from the old version of the Desert Rangers society which featured legends such as Jor, Starman, Qualia, Proppen, and Prodiq as I remember. We had about 5 hours of constant fighting with me alone in many cases, but eventually my 2600 fap broke and with that went our chance of gaining land.

We then moved on and took BAHQ's LA out from Rony's hands with some very shady tactics while I was chatting him (my leader at the time's decision - not my decision to open fire during the chat). 2 to 3 hours after claiming this LA from BAHQ, we lost it to an attack by Calypso Conquerors (an old and famous society) and the Coat Killers (ofc well known as well). When all was said and done, I'd been in combat for 26 hours straight and ended up with no land areas. Anyone that has ever been in pvp combat at land grab knows that 5 minutes feels like 1 hour. Now turn that into 26 hours and you'll see that I came out demoralized and devastated by the loss, as did my society.

I've never felt like a favorite or an uber during pvp. I know I can pK with the best of them, but I still play like I have 110 HP and have little chance of getting a LA in LG. I always felt like MA would find some way to make Warants get their way. I don't feel that way anymore; Mindark is not on anyone's side in combat.

It sucks that they put this during the week, but I'd guess that they don't want to have all of their staff come in on weekends if they can help it. The 5 minute rule may be a bit longer than it should have been, but I can say that anyone that has a legitimate chance during LG recognized that 1 minute wasn't enough.

1 minute only allows for like 45 seconds to kill off an entire society after killing their toughest member. Imagine killing off someone like Skalman and then having to finish off the rest of his society within 45 seconds. I say 45 seconds because we know there is a 30 second timer to return within 30 meters of the claim marker. We also know that a player can charge and tp within 15 seconds.

60 seconds time out + 15 seconds to tp back (most can do in less time) = 75
75 seconds - 30 seconds buffer to get back to claim = 45 seconds

It is impossible to kill 12 people with Eon and 250 hp in 45 seconds, no matter how many people attack. This doesn't even take into account tactics such as having 1/2 the players at the claim and the other 1/2 sitting 1 lesser jump from the claim waiting for the rest to die, then tping into the zone within 30 seconds.

1st of 6 players die @ 0 second
other 5 of 6 players die @ 1 second
25 second wait by remaining 6 players 1 lesser jump away, then they tp directly onto the claim @ 26 second
those 6 players all die @ 27 second
timer expires @ 57 second and the claim is claimable by anyone!

That is saying that you'd have to kill the first 6 players in 1 second total. Then proceed to kill the other 6 players in 1 second total. That's really easy right?

You'd even have 3 seconds to spare! With the way aim is during LG, killing 1 player in full eon typically takes no less than 10 seconds even if they only have 100 hp.

5 minute rule neccessary as you can see or at the very least 3 minutes.

I have to say I remember those LG's Star..They were awesome to hear about. I was in twin getting a play by play on them..They were brutal constant fighting..I am not usually a big MA supporter but I do believe any mid-level to high level soc has a chance at these lands..Just use strategy..Thanks MA for at least finally giving up another LG..

Mercury · 02-21-2008, 10:07

Darker Star,

The point I'm making is that I was at the bottom of the barrel with 110 hp during the early days LG. I know what it is like to not have much chance of getting a LA. It made me work hard to get to where I am today.

I agree, there isn't much chance of a midlevel group of players getting a LA. There is less chance with a 5 minute rule vs a 1 minute rule. The thing I was stating though is that there's no point in even having a LG if you have a 1 minute rule. First to claim gets it for sure - mid level, upper level, super hero level; it is all the same. MA had to make a 5 minute rule or there is NO chance to take a LA at all.

200 noobs with opalos could easily claim a land area with the 1 minute rule as they'd all just keep coming back. As nice as it would be for a noob to have a shot at a Land Area, land grab should be a test of strength and tactics. This 5 minute rule makes it a totally different game than it was in the past during LG.

Cougar · 02-21-2008, 10:25

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Originally Posted by Mercury

The 5 minute rule may be a bit longer than it should have been, but I can say that anyone that has a legitimate chance during LG recognized that 1 minute wasn't enough.

1 minute only allows for like 45 seconds to kill off an entire society after killing their toughest member. Imagine killing off someone like Skalman and then having to finish off the rest of his society within 45 seconds. I say 45 seconds because we know there is a 30 second timer to return within 30 meters of the claim marker. We also know that a player can charge and tp within 15 seconds.

60 seconds time out + 15 seconds to tp back (most can do in less time) = 75
75 seconds - 30 seconds buffer to get back to claim = 45 seconds

It is impossible to kill 12 people with Eon and 250 hp in 45 seconds, no matter how many people attack. This doesn't even take into account tactics such as having 1/2 the players at the claim and the other 1/2 sitting 1 lesser jump from the claim waiting for the rest to die, then tping into the zone within 30 seconds.

1st of 6 players die @ 0 second
other 5 of 6 players die @ 1 second
25 second wait by remaining 6 players 1 lesser jump away, then they tp directly onto the claim @ 26 second
those 6 players all die @ 27 second
timer expires @ 57 second and the claim is claimable by anyone!

That is saying that you'd have to kill the first 6 players in 1 second total. Then proceed to kill the other 6 players in 1 second total. That's really easy right?

You'd even have 3 seconds to spare! With the way aim is during LG, killing 1 player in full eon typically takes no less than 10 seconds even if they only have 100 hp.

5 minute rule neccessary as you can see or at the very least 3 minutes.

I was just going to post that to the SR whiners

Btw on the new rules it now says that the socs will hold the land for 6 months, was it mistakenly missing before or was it intentionally missing?

Darker_Star · 02-21-2008, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury

Darker Star,

The point I'm making is that I was at the bottom of the barrel with 110 hp during the early days LG. I know what it is like to not have much chance of getting a LA. It made me work hard to get to where I am today.

....................

200 noobs with opalos could easily claim a land area with the 1 minute rule as they'd all just keep coming back. As nice as it would be for a noob to have a shot at a Land Area, land grab should be a test of strength and tactics. This 5 minute rule makes it a totally different game than it was in the past during LG.

Mercury,

Thanks for the resonse, (very please to see no anger or BS in your post). Yes, I can respect your view, while I disagree with it, I do respect it.

I was just hoping that this time around MA would come to the realization that there are a large number of players in the same boat as myself. Ones that have put in hundreds and thousands of dollars, but not at the levels needed to make 'uber'.

You mentioned that when you were at 110, well, I"m guessing that 3.5 years ago, when I started, I was not very far off of your mark..but today, with my poor score of the 150's, I'm very close to what you were back then and that is after 3.5 years... In other words, where you started to really look at LG is where I am of 3.5 years of real money and 1000's of hours into the game. To be frank, the only difference I see is that I do not have the 'deep pockets' as most of the 'uber' class does. And that goes toward my opinion, that MA rewards the big spenders. Now, I don't have a problem with that, hell, if i was a big spender, I'd expect something back also, BUT...what my point is...again...MA should show some 'respect' for those of us who have put in 'real dollars', (not at your and others level i'm sure) and real time with an event that is geared for us and not the 'speical few'.

Again, my post are not directed at any society, as I said, if I was in your shoes, I'd take anything that MA would pass out without a fuss at all. I guess you could say my 'anger' is directed toward a company that does not seem to take into account, what I 'assume' is a large number of people.

We all see the noob, right of the boat hitting the ATH's or +k ped HoFS...we see the same old ubers hitting the ATH's and +k ped Hofs...I really don't see people at my level getting those kinds of 'rewards'. My avg glob over the past year is around 60 peds and they come far and few between. I have had a few crafting globs in the 300 to 400 ped range, lol, but in crafting, i'm a total noob...(so, i guess that is why I got them)..

Oh well, just rambling on I guess..

Bottom Line, MA should show the 'middle class' that we matter, MA could and should have an event that would allow us our chance in the sun, I'm tired of feeling like a mushroom, (always feed dung and kept in the dark)

DS...

Arkonen · 02-21-2008, 10:38

Hello,

I am also a midlevel player member of a small friendly soc. We have absolutely no chances to win a Land during the LandGrab and so it is.

I see a lot of pepole complaining about the rules, saying that it's again a "uber event" and so on ...

Do you all realize that MA can make any rules they want for events like LandGrab or Mahey it will ALWAYS be won by an uber player or an uber soc.

The only chance for midlevel players or socs would have been rules based on luck (Highest Single loot events or put the deed in a random mob) and i'm sure we would have complaints like (it's always the same guys that have luck, it's never me ...).

This "game" is not like other MMO where you can reach top level in few months, this "game" requires investment being time or money. If i am not "uber" now and can not hope to win something in LandGrab it is because I did not invest as much time or as much money as the current "ubers" and I did not build enough relations to be invited into any "uber" soc.

So there will be no Land for me and my soc mates, it's not MA's fault, it's not "ubers" fault ... it's mine !!! I did learn to live with that.

Arkonen · 02-21-2008, 10:45

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Originally Posted by Darker_Star

Bottom Line, MA should show the 'middle class' that we matter, MA could and should have an event that would allow us our chance in the sun, I'm tired of feeling like a mushroom, (always feed dung and kept in the dark)

DS...

I agree with that but the problem will always be the same ... What type of events could be created for midlevel players that will not be won by an uber ?

If you take last ambulimania ... It was won by Star even if he spend nearly 15 min hunting other mobs on an other LA. So i really don't see what would be the type of events not based on luck where Ubers and Midlevel players would have the same chances.

T3h_plonker · 02-21-2008, 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury

1st of 6 players die @ 0 second
other 5 of 6 players die @ 1 second
25 second wait by remaining 6 players 1 lesser jump away, then they tp directly onto the claim @ 26 second
those 6 players all die @ 27 second
timer expires @ 57 second and the claim is claimable by anyone!

sounds just like what i pmed naomi about during LG

chevrons · 02-21-2008, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury

I agree, there isn't much chance of a midlevel group of players getting a LA. There is less chance with a 5 minute rule vs a 1 minute rule. The thing I was stating though is that there's no point in even having a LG if you have a 1 minute rule. First to claim gets it for sure - mid level, upper level, super hero level; it is all the same. MA had to make a 5 minute rule or there is NO chance to take a LA at all.

200 noobs with opalos could easily claim a land area with the 1 minute rule as they'd all just keep coming back. As nice as it would be for a noob to have a shot at a Land Area, land grab should be a test of strength and tactics. This 5 minute rule makes it a totally different game than it was in the past during LG.

So with a 1 minute rule, whoever claimed the LA's first would have a good chance of keeping them. i.e each LA could be won by a different soc.

With a 5 minute rule, one uber soc could get all the LA's.

It's not just a test of strength and tactics - it's a test of who has deepest pockets; how long will the lower socs continue to fight an uneven battle?

And it's obviously in MA's interests to keep the fighting going for as long as possible.