Support Info: External PED Purchases

[turk1077]

Originally Posted by Usurper

I can confirm that buying Peds externaly is a bad idea.
I was at my bank today in some other business and
thought i would exchange some money into Peds, i mean
since i'm already at the bank why not get that sorted too.

To my surprise the teller didn't have a clue what
the heck "Peds" was.
I tried to explain it to him but he just
started to laugh at me.

I told him that my Daikiba needed food and
that my underware needed repairs.
At this time his face was all red.
He was laughing so loud that it could be heard
throuout the entire bank.

I assured him that if he couldn't give me Peds i
would have to sweat some animals.
He was now on the floor laughing, kicking and sceaming so hard that the other customers were beginning to look our way wondering what all
the commotion was all about.

I then said fine, then i guess i'll have to take my mindforce chip and teleport to the <ingame> bank
and let THEM give me some Peds instead!

At this point the teller had just enough strengt
left to squeeze out a "You do that!!" before he was helped asside by the manager into another room.

At that time i took my stuff and left the bank.
For good!!

So external Ped trade is not something i would
ever recomend.
There's some crazy ass people working in the banks nowerdays.

Usurper, you made my day with that one! +rep!

[Dion Red Strike]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Was never a big deal, just another discussion, but if it bores you no need to get involved, but since you have i feel much clearer that you have told me how things are based on your speculation

Cloud

I sense a bit of sarcasm here... I should have qualified my statements by preceding it with, 'I run a business that is projected to have 7.5-7.8 million USD in sales this year, half of which are paid for by credit card. I have a bit of experience in relations to credit cards.'

If you would like to get into a pissing match about where you think the fees go, I would be more than happy to help you take it to another thread. But I suspect that I would be either speaking with a brick wall, or pointing you towards many quotes that have already been quoted many times....

So, to respond to your earlier statements more succinctly,

This is why i put forward my opinion that it is possible MA does take a fee for themself, on top of Credit Card fee.

Based on statements made from official Mindark staff, your opinion is completely wrong.

[Dorsai]

What this does mean is that if a random stranger walks up to you and offers you peds, don't accept them.

Imagine, Avi1 is relly pissed with Greedy Avi2. So Owner of Avi 1 makes a fraudulent depo into a newly created avi.

Then new avi meets Greedy Avi2, and offers him 5k peds, for free. Being a greedy so and so, Avi2 accepts the free gift.

A few days/weeks later Avi2 is banned for receiving stolen peds. MA don't believe (the truth) that someone would "give away" 5k peds, and assume that Avi2 bought them off of a fraudster outside of EU.
Revenge is achieved.

To avoid IP logging linking the fraud to the perpetrator, Avi1's owner made the new avi and the transactions using his laptop in a wireless internet café.

[archman]

MA has had to many problems with 3rd party scams before. They could open more options to get ped in game.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Dion Red Strike

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If you would like to get into a pissing match about where you think the fees go,

.

Umm, the above statement doesn't make sense Dion.

I wasnt doing anything other than expressing my opinion, i didnt make any statements to try and impress anyone.On the other hand you did, and out of context,lol.

Maybe when you have composed your thoughts better you may have suggested we continue the discussion elsewhere.

You speculate my opinion is wrong, great, maybe you're right, and maybe your wrong, but try and stay calm ,lol.

Cloud

[Dion Red Strike]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Umm, the above statement doesn't make sense Dion.

I wasnt doing anything other than expressing my opinion, i didnt make any statements to try and impress anyone.On the other hand you did, and out of context,lol.

Maybe when you have composed your thoughts better you may have suggested we continue the discussion elsewhere.

You speculate my opinion is wrong, great, maybe you're right, and maybe your wrong, but try and stay calm ,lol.

Cloud

1)

2) Out of context? Wow... do you know what that means?

3) I did suggest it gets taken elsewhere...

4) You are blatently wrong. Go look it up.

5) Now that I've counted to five, I can say I tried to stay calm

I start to understand the frustration of many fellow 'participants' reluctance to actively participate on forum groups. It's extremely difficult to convince the newer and/or younger crowd the facts.

And, now that I've vented a bit more, I can honestly say I took a step back, counted to five, and took a deep breath before continuing onto what I'm about to type below...

You were obviously being sarcastic to a few people here. You obviously don't know what you're speaking of. Its nice to have opinions, it's nice to argue with people. I like arguing with people, I'm often the 'devils' advocate. However, arguing with people for the sake of arguing when there is no argument is disrespectful. Then, being snide about being pointed out as being wrong is even more disrespectful.

As nice as smilies are, they do nothing for you if you are being snide.

And, in case you still think you may be right... I'm not worthy..

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Dion Red Strike

1)

2) Out of context? Wow... do you know what that means?

3) I did suggest it gets taken elsewhere...

4) You are blatently wrong. Go look it up.

5) Now that I've counted to five, I can say I tried to stay calm

I start to understand the frustration of many fellow 'participants' reluctance to actively participate on forum groups. It's extremely difficult to convince the newer and/or younger crowd the facts.

And, now that I've vented a bit more, I can honestly say I took a step back, counted to five, and took a deep breath before continuing onto what I'm about to type below...

You were obviously being sarcastic to a few people here. You obviously don't know what you're speaking of. Its nice to have opinions, it's nice to argue with people. I like arguing with people, I'm often the 'devils' advocate. However, arguing with people for the sake of arguing when there is no argument is disrespectful. Then, being snide about being pointed out as being wrong is even more disrespectful.

As nice as smilies are, they do nothing for you if you are being snide.

And, in case you still think you may be right... I'm not worthy..

Thanks for your humble explanation of what is right and wrong about me and the world Dion.
I express what rate i think someone pays on their merchant account and you respond by telling what me how the world should be and how i am wrong, wrong, wrong.
LOL>

~Class,Dion's word of the day is SNIDE, can everyone say SNIDE hahahaha

Also Class, Dion has pointed out if you dont agree with a point put forward by someone we should Attack Them Personally!~

And btw, sarcasm is a valid form of communication, if you are uncomfortable with it get over yourself.

Have a great day Dion

Cloud

[timmmers]

Originally Posted by aridash

because the charge is from MA's bank/merchant account provider, not your bank.



a 5% cost there then. is it always the same? often wondered if ukash would be cheaper than credit card.

Please don't take that rate as fact, it was just a rough figure...the dollar is on a 2 for 1 sale right now and can always vary ...sometimes to our benefit and sometimes not. I've never taken notice, but I don't think it's 5% it was just a round number.

External ped transactions are the real point here, and the rules that bind us all, not my rough estimates.

I would like nothing more than to honour my offer to help someone out in the way I suggested, for zero profit, and at my own risk. The thing that worries me most is breaking the rules doing so.

MA just gave me a gold card for whatever reasons, but I choose to think that it was because they (like all of us) saw too many unprotected folk who had yet to buy one and thought it was best for MA and for us.

It takes how long to post here and clarify something this basic?
None of us want to be banned for nothing, so please ..if someone from MA is scanning this can they please clarify the exact situation? It's pretty obvous that nobody is sure, maybe less obvious that nobody wishes to be banned for no dishonest behaviour but no less true.. but it's just not clear.

I see no fraud or problem in depositing for others once or even twice, but maybe Ma decided to get rid of any loopholes in the system, and with most people now having a GC if they have invested anything worth stealing...isn't this what we always wanted?

If I never see a "i've been scammed" thread I'll be happy, and if this helps...then it's all good for me. Who loses, the guy didn't get the Ukash gun or a few peds....or the guy who lost full Angel armour and all his years of skills?
Don't need to ask really IMO. Obvious.

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[WoenK]

On a side note....
I only use Paysafe, cost me zero, nada, niente, nothing, nüscht in fees.
Buying PEDs from anyone else then official sources should raise suspicion, there can't be any credit farmers in here, so it can only be a scam.

[DRDoom]

There are no deposit fees basically.

If you deposit with credit card MA is charged 3% of that amount from teh CC company, MA just takes that cost from the deposit to cover their expenses.

If you deposit via wiretransfer, no fees are taken.

So if it cost MA nothing to get your money ingame , it does cost you nothing. If it cost MA a transaction fee, they calculate that fee in the deposit.