EBN: Blackness

[Mega]

Are these huge posts being done to boost the users activity score?


The Black Hole / Note thing was as much a damp squib as a firework that had been left to soak in the bath overnight. I'll know to not get excited about the next event.

[AJack10600]

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

Maybe the Egg thing is actually just...'finished' for now... I mean it is a "Unique" item maybe that was the goal...rather dissapointingly. Who knows until something transpires. Of course the text on the description alludes to something else, doesn't make any promise of when though does it?

What does affect the development of a story line is how much coding is required and graphics design is required to actually achieve the story line given that there is significant focus on getting the new Engine up and running.

It's all good and well for us to say "It's easy, why don't they just do it" but I assure you that in what the 'user' sees as 'easy' may very well be a 'nightmare' to achieve in code and design.

I'm sure the egg story is not finished yet... there are so many open stories in EU by now with no end to them. MA start something and then it just never comes to an end. Some new fresh ideas and then they just shred it for something else...

Maybe it's not possible to do events easily with the EU code but then I have to ask, what kind of an mmorpg code is that ? The code must have the flexibility to be adaptable to some events. I mean foremost EU is a game that has competition and other games have events and no lag. So why can't MA do it?

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

It's not a 'forced' exclusion, you have the choice ultimately to either put up with the lag or not. As it turns out, many do put with the lag as you can see from the many that post they attended, albeit to post negatively about long standing issues in EU.

Well for me it's forced. The lagg was so bad that I got to the event only when it finished. Sorry but EU is a product, and the event is a product that I pay for, as a customer. When I buy a PC I expect it to be running and not to crash every 2 minutes do I ? When you buy a car, you expect it to be running smoothly and not to only be allowed to ride 20 mph cos the engine woant do more... MA effectively are selling an imperfect product. If they can't stage events cos the code/servers can't cope, then don't do em...

I mean what kind of an image is this portraying on MA to announce an event and half the people Online can't participate cos it's a bl00dy lag fest... ???

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

My point is, why should all events follow some kind of recipe or checklist:

- Get people involved - Check
- Involve mobs - Check
- Must be EU introspective - DOH
- Can't involve IRL - DOH

Well I am not sure but this is a game about blasting away mobs, crafting tools, getting resources... walk about the country, free a planet from invasion forces.... This is what EU "used" to be all about ! This is why many people are here. So these people expect an event which

- gets people involved (yes open to anyone would be nice)
- Involves mobs (most likely yes cos it's all about freeing the planet)
- Must be EU introspective (well yes it should follow the storyline I would think so)
- Can't involve IRL ( not sure... you can send the winner of the event a RL EU Poster or a Model ML25 Gun ... but not a voucher to meet the main character of a swedisch soap opera no ...)

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

If you watch TV series like 24 and others of the same ilk, you will appreciate that the relevence of certain events won't become clear until the near the end of the story. This may be the case here no?

hm... maybe but I'd really be surprised how the swedish soap overa fits into the robot invasion theme ...

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

As others have eluded to, MindArk may well have had to change what was happening with the Egg. It could be the situation that to achieve the final or next stages of the story that a degree of development was required, which could be presenting certain challenges for the development team.

Really ? Well sorry but if I plan a project as a company I do a feasability study. When I plan a big event I "plan" for it and make sure it works out. You don't start kicking off an event and then mid way you are stuck cos you havn't finished organising the end ... I mean what the heck ???

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

I guess people's expectation was much higher than it should have been, but that is something difficult to manage when moving into new diverse ways of delivering events/entertainment. If this was done against a US TV series of similar popularity (i.e local popularity) then it would be no different.

Undoubtably expectation was much higher than it should have been ... cos everyone was finally ecpecting a bigger nice event inline with the story. A Major VU (we hardly had any VUs in the past anyway) and everybody thought, now comes a big event ... something major... and what do we get ? some stupid online Sudoku with no story line impact at all ...

If this had been the code to call in some space ship with an invading army or something... fuck we would have loved this ... !!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

Again, why does everything in EU have to follow the same pattern?

Not the same pattern but somewhere between the boundaries of a SCI FI story line ? ... or do you want little Mickey Mouse to pop up in front of you in EU or Roger Rabbit selling virtual Ice Creams to you during a Space Ship Drone Fight ?

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

Spoilsport... but if it's the armour decay and avatar redesign stuff...pffft!

What the heck means pffft ? For some people avatar redesign is a big issue, if you had blasted away thousands of dollars to remoddel a unique avatar you would well be pissed off now. It's not about the armour decay, it's about yet ANOTHER decay item that makes EU more and more expensive. We don't want this game to become a luxury computer game but an affordable cool RCE. We know MA need to make money and we have no problem with that...

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

You and I both now how to voice an opinion correctly and therefore not be a whinge. Requesting the halting of events because of lag or that an event doesn't interest them is entirely childish in my opinion and a totally selfish view point. Some people will put up with the lag. If the event is of no interest to you, why request it be stopped? Just don't participate. This isn't difficult stuff.

I don't consider myself a whiner, I love EU probably more than many people on this forum, I have my share of money in EU... but I fight for my cause and I will voice my concern and be MAs biggest critic to help them get back on track. All I see on a continuous level now is that things happen in EU which do simply not enhance my game play at all. We get loads of PR, loads of unfinished events, visual gimmicks and a totally new EU Strategy away from the original SCI FI game...

If I wanted to just have a real life universe I could play SL. But I want a SCI FI theme, hence I play EU !

I don't request Events to be stopped but to be finished, and finished properly. But if I can not take part in it cos the server is excluding me, then I say don't do them at all if you can't do them properly. Lagfest is no fun for anybody and it just ruins any event ....


That's just my view on some of the above ...

[Hulyss]

I think there is only 3 or 4 ppls here who try to understand the wall community
They are not relevent.
Thats not the way to try to understand the "problems".
But if they try to understand in the same time they write them posts, hehe, well, its a good thing

Lol ok im out

[AkiranBlade]

Originally Posted by AJack10600

Maybe it's not possible to do events easily with the EU code but then I have to ask, what kind of an mmorpg code is that ? The code must have the flexibility to be adaptable to some events. I mean foremost EU is a game that has competition and other games have events and no lag. So why can't MA do it?

What the code should have and be able to do is not necessarily what the code has and is able to do. There are many situations of a quick design being made with old technology and methodologies in mind which quickly become monolithic and unmaintainable with a small change in one area having an unexpected profound affect in another. In my experience in Software Development I've seen this time and time again, having to go in and pick up the pieces of an originally poorly designed and architected product.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

Well for me it's forced. The lagg was so bad that I got to the event only when it finished. Sorry but EU is a product, and the event is a product that I pay for, as a customer. When I buy a PC I expect it to be running and not to crash every 2 minutes do I ? When you buy a car, you expect it to be running smoothly and not to only be allowed to ride 20 mph cos the engine woant do more... MA effectively are selling an imperfect product. If they can't stage events cos the code/servers can't cope, then don't do em...

I mean what kind of an image is this portraying on MA to announce an event and half the people Online can't participate cos it's a bl00dy lag fest... ???

During most events I've participated in where there was a single location for the event, there has been lag I truely belive the current engine is to blame in some, or more precisely the way in which it is being leveraged through legacy code. Again, I'm not saying it's RIGHT for us to be experiencing lag, I'm just saying it's not grounds to anounce that MA should stop events altogether because of it.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

Well I am not sure but this is a game about blasting away mobs, crafting tools, getting resources... walk about the country, free a planet from invasion forces.... This is what EU "used" to be all about ! This is why many people are here. So these people expect an event which

- gets people involved (yes open to anyone would be nice)
- Involves mobs (most likely yes cos it's all about freeing the planet)
- Must be EU introspective (well yes it should follow the storyline I would think so)
- Can't involve IRL ( not sure... you can send the winner of the event a RL EU Poster or a Model ML25 Gun ... but not a voucher to meet the main character of a swedisch soap opera no ...)

Personally I'd like to see Entropia being more than just what you envisage it to be.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

hm... maybe but I'd really be surprised how the swedish soap overa fits into the robot invasion theme ...

I wasn't saying all events in EU could contribute, there have been other things happening too not related to IRL TV Shows.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

Really ? Well sorry but if I plan a project as a company I do a feasability study. When I plan a big event I "plan" for it and make sure it works out. You don't start kicking off an event and then mid way you are stuck cos you havn't finished organising the end ... I mean what the heck ???

I take it you never worked on a legacy monolith application then? Perhaps not your field of expertise?

Originally Posted by AJack10600

If this had been the code to call in some space ship with an invading army or something... fuck we would have loved this ... !!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, apart from everone moaning about "oh the lag" when it arrived lolz. I'm just accepting it for what it was, a small diversion, which most events really are, a diversion from the norm.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

Not the same pattern but somewhere between the boundaries of a SCI FI story line ? ... or do you want little Mickey Mouse to pop up in front of you in EU or Roger Rabbit selling virtual Ice Creams to you during a Space Ship Drone Fight ?

If an advert popped up everytime I got a global, I wouldn't be bothered about this, as long as the advert was paying for my global

Currently the ad scheme is flawed, noone really goes out of their way to view the screens. If we had the option of watching a more direct advert method like I just suggested:

a) More advertisers would be interested
b) More advertisers should mean more loot in the loot pools


Of course the option to turn this off would be a must

Originally Posted by AJack10600

What the heck means pffft ? For some people avatar redesign is a big issue, if you had blasted away thousands of dollars to remoddel a unique avatar you would well be pissed off now. It's not about the armour decay, it's about yet ANOTHER decay item that makes EU more and more expensive. We don't want this game to become a luxury computer game but an affordable cool RCE. We know MA need to make money and we have no problem with that...

I spent a fair whack styling my avatar pre-VU, and I spent some post-VU too, wasn't thousands though! I'm more than happy with the new models, the controls were more than adequate and I styled my chap to what I wanted to achieve bar a few small things which may become available in the future.

The Armour decay thing I was referring to the cost of taking off the armour or putting it on, whichever costs and that the cost is so negligable compared to what we lose on a hunting run, in an effort to reduce a certain amount of lag on the server.

With regard to the extra piece, how do you see that this extra piece will give us more decay? I can't see it working like that one bit. On average you will experience roughly the same amount of hits it's just the hits will be distributed over more pieces. The cost will be the same. In fact, it may even be better as more pieces should mean the whole suit will decay slower (slightly) which means it should protect more for slightly longer thus meaning less fapping. (Only slightly though )

Originally Posted by AJack10600

I don't consider myself a whiner, I love EU probably more than many people on this forum, I have my share of money in EU... but I fight for my cause and I will voice my concern and be MAs biggest critic to help them get back on track. All I see on a continuous level now is that things happen in EU which do simply not enhance my game play at all. We get loads of PR, loads of unfinished events, visual gimmicks and a totally new EU Strategy away from the original SCI FI game...

I used to complain about the lag, I give up now, mainly because I expect the decision has been to address it with the Engine change. I don't consider the recent updates as gimmicks, they are key to MA's business moving forward to enable maximum customer capture. As I already explained, many of my gamer friends consider EU to be a somewhat in the dark ages on the graphics front.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

If I wanted to just have a real life universe I could play SL. But I want a SCI FI theme, hence I play EU !

Worried about lag in EU, SL is worse if you ask me.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

I don't request Events to be stopped but to be finished, and finished properly. But if I can not take part in it cos the server is excluding me, then I say don't do them at all if you can't do them properly. Lagfest is no fun for anybody and it just ruins any event ....

It's all about expectation. I expect there to be lag on events like this. Thus I expect it to be laggy when I go to them. Noones saying it's correct to have lag. Despite some events being laggy I've had fun nevertheless.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

That's just my view on some of the above ...

That's more than understood

[AkiranBlade]

Originally Posted by Mega

Are these huge posts being done to boost the users activity score?

I wouldn't do something so shallow....honest

Would be nice to be seen as contributing though given that 6k posts and 9posts per day seems to mean nothing to the activity register, nor do 13 recent blogs. The activity metre doesn't sit well with me as it belittles the contributions made by those over time. Just my opinion on it. And a little off topic.

for me now

[AJack10600]

I am not gonna go on again and again about this. I have said what my views are. Just to clarify two things.

1) I did not mean more decay cos of another armour. I meant the put on decay is yet another cost item that has been added to my bill.

2)

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

I take it you never worked on a legacy monolith application then? Perhaps not your field of expertise?

No I havn't but I have worked on Front to Back Ledger Systems in Banking and I can assure you, when we start an IT project on some booking feeds in Banking they are 100% accurate when we release them ... in the same way a project needs to be plannable 100%. We can't risk that clients get wrong balance information on their accounts So this "IS" possible ...

[Rayne Jade]

Originally Posted by AkiranBlade

My point is the constant barrage of rather narrow minded responses of "Oh why don't we have bots invading towns" like it's a new idea! It's been done and it will happen again, that I am sure. Just don't expect it to happen next week!

No one is saying it is a new idea... I think it keeps coming into play because the robots are a key element in the history of Calypso. Maybe you have read that, maybe you have not... I don't know. From what I have read the robots are the ever-present menace to our colony. The debate was about storylines and the robots are indeed part of the storyline. The egg, animal migrations, the orb... all that is too but at the root of it all is the robots.

Here is the story...

The History of Calypso

Again... Posting this for the benefit of those that have not seen it. If you have seen it, fine... no need to comment.