Graphics Cards Limitations

[rwin]

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

Look it’s entirely up to you if you have the kind of money to purchase a 8800GTX SLI setup @ $1,142 USD and change,


I dun know why you boys can’t see what I am trying to tell you so I will lay it out for you. With the money you saved you can afford to buy “That special someone” in your life something real nice too and if she is grateful, like I would be, she would show her appreciation in return. The rest you will have to figure out for yourself. I was just saying myself I would love a fur coat.

Have a Great Day!

Well one reason you don’t think we understand is because you are talking about a 1100$ card set up and we are not. We never were, not even once.

See the funny thing is all the crap you posted and money your talking about is for an 8800 GTX, and this entire conversation began with posting that an 8800 GT was a good buy. GT just under 450/500 for a pair.
That’s when you jumped in lecturing us like we were a bunch of pc noobs tricked in to SLI.
Now that you have posted some info and are up to date, try to get on the same page.
We know how to get the best bang for our buck irt a pc.
We did wait, we are talking about buying the GT now that the next gen is shipping and with xmass prices are droping.

As for waiting, you can say that every month - wait another month something new will come. You will be waiting forever.
I can’t speak for everyone but the few that posted here, I’m pretty sure do their research.
It just helps to be talking about the same thing.


remember GT not GTX

[Allotta Fagina]

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

IMHO SLI/Crossfire= Huge Waste of PED. Best scam ever pulled off by the graphics card makers to convince you to buy not just one over priced card but two.

Save your PED and use it for something with a better potential return instead. Like buying me a new fur coat.

Looks like an opinion and not a lecture, my additional replies were in response to all of the chest pounding that followed. You would think I just walked into autoshop class and started discussing turbo charging a 2.5l V6.

Sure lets quivel over models the best price right now for an 8800 GT is $260 USD, so fine lets debate an over $500 SLI soultion then the arguments I make are still 100% valid. NVIDIA would have already released D9E if AMD's latest offerings were any real competition, as it is now they are considering delaying them. When they do get released in Februrary or soon after the price of 8800 cards will drop significantly and this is important to value shoppers.

Newegg.com - PNY VCG88512GXPB G92 GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 PureVideo HD Technology HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

But then you are leaving out the additional cost of the larger power supply needed and the added noise of those components. Funny in an age where power per watt is so important everyone wants to blow the savings on bigger power supplys and dual vid cards, again your choice to make.

You know you could do a whole lot better with the ladies if you just learned how to talk them better. But that would require getting out from behind your uber PC once in awhile as well.

[DrSlinky]

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

Sure lets quivel over models the best price right now for an 8800 GT is $260 USD, so fine lets debate an over $500 SLI soultion then the arguments I make are still 100% valid. NVIDIA would have already released D9E if AMD's latest offerings were any real competition, as it is now they are considering delaying them. When they do get released in Februrary or soon after the price of 8800 cards will drop significantly and this is important to value shoppers.

But you're still missing out on one of the major appeals of SLI/Crossfire. You don't *need* to buy 2 cards. You can buy just one card. And later, either because you need some more power or simply have more spending cash, you can buy the second card. And depending how long you wait, the 2nd card could be drastically cheaper than what you paid the first time.

[Allotta Fagina]

Originally Posted by DrSlinky

But you're still missing out on one of the major appeals of SLI/Crossfire. You don't *need* to buy 2 cards. You can buy just one card. And later, either because you need some more power or simply have more spending cash, you can buy the second card. And depending how long you wait, the 2nd card could be drastically cheaper than what you paid the first time.

No I am not missing out on that option. But then you will be putting another card in, as long as you have the power supply to deal with the added demand, to a MB that is nearing the end of its life cycle. Intel will be switching to 1600Mhz FSB so at minimum an x38 chipset or better yet an x45 will be needed for Penryn not to mention PCIe 2.0. If you are using or planning an AMD setup the situation only gets murkier AM2, AM3+ and eventually Swift which uses yet another socket. Further the 8800 series is at the end of its lifecycle and is DX10 gen 1. D9E will be the second generation for DX10 from NVIDIA.

Again the choice is yours to make I prefer single card lower power and quieter solutions than those offered from an SLI setup. Make up you own mind I just tried to bring a more sensible approach to the discussion.

[Gray Darkman]

Just buy a 7300GT for 50.00..It will show everything you need..DX10 only works with vista anyways and vista is garbage...Its not that big of a deal..

[DrSlinky]

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

No I am not missing out on that option. But then you will be putting another card in, as long as you have the power supply to deal with the added demand, to a MB that is nearing the end of its life cycle. Intel will be switching to 1600Mhz FSB so at minimum an x38 chipset or better yet an x45 will be needed for Penryn not to mention PCIe 2.0. If you are using or planning an AMD setup the situation only gets murkier AM2, AM3+ and eventually Swift which uses yet another socket. Further the 8800 series is at the end of its lifecycle and is DX10 gen 1. D9E will be the second generation for DX10 from NVIDIA.

Again the choice is yours to make I prefer single card lower power and quieter solutions than those offered from an SLI setup. Make up you own mind I just tried to bring a more sensible approach to the discussion.

Apparently, you are missing the point.

Nobody says you *must* buy the 2nd card. From where I stand, it looks to me like you took the first step in the example I mentioned, and stopped there.

Lower power? Less noise? These are two of the reasons for SLI. Two low-to-mid range cards can actually consume less power than a single high end card. They also tend to require more conservative cooling needs, so you don't have as much noise coming from the fans. It's even possible to build a SLI/Crossfire setup using a pair of cards with passive cooling.

If all cards had the same power requirements and cooling systems, then yes, your preference would be logical. But they don't.

And as for the changing sockets and slots... the sky is falling! The sky is falling! Seriously, PCI Express has been out for how long now? 3, 4 years? And I can still buy AGP cards for my aging P4C800-E, as well as DDR memory. Change is part of life. Nothing is going to prevent newer hardware from hitting the market. Worrying about it is pointless. Just build your machine with the future in mind, and try to get as many years out of it as you can. Having the option to add a second video card to increase performance makes no less sense than having empty DIMM slots so you can add more memory when you need it.

[Mora]

Originally Posted by aia

Is there some reasonably economic fanless cards to recommend?

I'd say go for Ati Radeon HD-series. HD2400 costs less than 40e here in Finland, it's DirectX 10 capable and will run great with EU for now. It is even available for AGP-slots. Both PCI-E and AGP -models are available with passive cooling too. No yelling fans.

[aia]

Originally Posted by rwin

I just saw some last week, im going on newegg later i see what it was and post it here. what is your price window?

Would a card at 310 SEK level (about 40 USD), with 6200 processor work? Like any of these ones (yes I have AGP):

ALBATRON GEFORCE 6200A 128MB DVI AGP (6200A processor)
ASUS N6200/TD GEFORCE 6200 128MB TV-OUT DVI AGP (6200 processor but cooling looks better)

[rwin]

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

Sure lets quivel over models the best price right now for an 8800 GT is $260 USD, so fine lets debate an over $500 SLI soultion then the arguments I make are still 100% valid. NVIDIA would have already released D9E if AMD's latest offerings were any real competition, as it is now they are considering delaying them. When they do get released in Februrary or soon after the price of 8800 cards will drop significantly and this is important to value shoppers.

Ok you were basing your argument mostly on the cost/performance ratio. When I point out to you that your off because your talking about a different card, the 500 price drop is no longer significant? even an eco sli option is wrong according to you, because your out a fur.

I am glad you picked newegg as an example because, if you would have looked a little harder and not picked one of the higher priced 8800gt's as an example you would have seen that you can get 2 8800gt on newegg for 254 $ dollars.
For that matter, the sli pc I am building off newegg from the ground up in January will cost 950 dollars.
3 gig cpu, 2 8800gtcards, 2 gig of ram, case, power, new drives, everything, for less than what you assumed I would pay for cards only. That is value shopping. which is why the wife got a new laptop (before my new pc) - not a fur.

The fact is, that right now, as was posted here at the beginning of this discussion the 8800gt is widely recommend as the best buy for cost/performance. by pairing them you get a pc that will preform close to one of greater cost, and your pc will be a viable gaming solution for a longer period of time.

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

You know you could do a whole lot better with the ladies if you just learned how to talk them better. But that would require getting out from behind your uber PC once in awhile as well.

now I see, since I don't agree, I'm a stupid geek who cant talk to the ladies.
I should just say “yes dear ill get a shit pc and buy you a fur coat”. Ill pass on any Venus and Mars advice from you.

off topic
Single guys. A good woman is a great thing. Your partner (that means equal)can often provide you with a second glance on many things from a different perspective. Choose wisely.
Ill call this;
The old happily married fathers list of things to look out for.

1.sprinkling all topic's with innuendos of boy vs girl is always a bad sign.

2.

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

Save your PED and use it for something with a better potential return instead. Like buying me a new fur coat.

translation;
you want a new PC she says buy a her a fur coat. both are luxury items, but her desire to flaunt her furs is much more important than what you want. Even when you show how you are saving money and did your homework your still wrong.
Run away.

3.

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

Again the choice is yours to make I prefer single card lower power and quieter solutions than those offered from an SLI setup. Make up you own mind I just tried to bring a more sensible approach to the discussion.

your welcome to have an opinion, but hers is the only sensible one.

4.

Originally Posted by Allotta Fagina

I dun know why you boys can’t see what I am trying to tell you so I will lay it out for you. With the money you saved you can afford to buy “That special someone” in your life something real nice too and if she is grateful, like I would be, she would show her appreciation in return. The rest you will have to figure out for yourself. I was just saying myself I would love a fur coat.
Have a Great Day!

boys are stupid. Do as your told and be rewarded with sex. (because thats all boys think about right?) if you don't, your locked out. ...................until you get her a fur coat.

[Jorael]

Well i would just like to add this:

I suggested SLI in the first place not because of EU, but because of games that are coming out that fully support it and have spectacular graphics if you have the right equipment...

By considering a SLI system, you are broadening your gaming horizons, as some games are only worth being played in high definition.

Especially those that are coming out.

Why play with one boob, when you can have your hands full with two?