Mindforce - An analysis.

[Nighthawk]

Few reasons why MF is not used more:
- Most chips uneco
- Not many useful chips
- ME price is too high


Now to solve those problems:

Lower ME prices:
- Increase Nexus droprate until it sells at less than 105% instead of the current (130-135% something?)

1000 nexus at 130% = 13PED, right?
1000 sweat at 0,5PEC = 5PED, right?

1000ME will be worth more than 18PED with those prices.

If
1000 nexus = 102%

then
1000 nexus = 10,2PED

and
1000ME = 15,2PED.

So if one ME is 1,52PEC worth instead of 1,8PEC it will make the chips more eco




And about the usefulness of chips:
When MA introduced (L) weapons and armor they made sure that they were better (maybe not more eco, but better) than UL counterparts (MOSTLY) to get people to use them instead.

They need to do the same thing for MindForce.

If you can use MF for... say... taming bigger mobs (mindcontrol chip) than with a whip, the tamers would use this instead, right? Even if they had to pay a LITTLE more for it?



Thanks for reading, no posts about sweat price or stuff like that here please because that is not the topic. The topic is to make MF more interesting without having to lower (or raise, hrm) sweatprice

[WoenK]

hmmm...why lower the nexus price ?
Why not make the chips a bit more efficient and stronger ?

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by WoenK

hmmm...why lower the nexus price ?
Why not make the chips a bit more efficient and stronger ?

That is also one of my suggestions?

But however, even if the chips are really strong I don't think that too many people will use it because of it being too uneco?

MA can't make the chips use too little ME because then some chips will be too eco and they will lose money.

[WoenK]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

That is also one of my suggestions?

But however, even if the chips are really strong I don't think that too many people will use it because of it being too uneco?

MA can't make the chips use too little ME because then some chips will be too eco and they will lose money.

If you take a look on entropedia about the econess, they actually are not that far off from the weapons.
I do not think it is all about the ME price or usage.
The combat chips could be very usable even at lower levels if they had a bit better punch. Biggest drawback is, that some chips have no SiB.

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by WoenK

If you take a look on entropedia about the econess, they actually are not that far off from the weapons.

Do you count with the current markup on ME now?

Cause I don't think that any of the MF chips has very good eco if you do?



However, I must agree that the following IS needed to resurrect mindforce:

- More different chips
- More different levels of chips
- Both uber and newb chips
- SIB chips
- (L) chips?
- etc

[WoenK]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

Do you count with the current markup on ME now?

Cause I don't think that any of the MF chips has very good eco if you do?

I may not be long enough in here to know the old prices, but I remember when I started using ME the markup was at 220% and now it is at 197%.
If you mine the nexus yourself and sweat it costs you around 120%.

Might be my mistake, but I thought the wiki did include the pirce for ME in they eco calculation.

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by WoenK

I may not be long enough in here to know the old prices, but I remember when I started using ME the markup was at 220% and now it is at 197%.
If you mine the nexus yourself and sweat it costs you around 120%.

Might be my mistake, but I thought the wiki did include the pirce for ME in they eco calculation.

I think it includes the tt value of the ME but I don't know, so if anyone knows then can they please post here?

[Xandra]

Hi,
My 2 PEC's:

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

Few reasons why MF is not used more:
- Most chips uneco

Not exactly true, I guess, check entropedia (as said by others)

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

- Not many useful chips

Right, not only not many useful chips, but very few chips at all that are actually in market (but some basic ones)

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

- ME price is too high

Since quite some chips actually have good eco (when at good HA) this is not true.

Problem 1 is that they (the better ones) are most rare:

There's just not enough of 'em advanced chips - not enough types, no (L) versions at all & not enough supply. Would you skill a profession where there nearly no lead-on-tools are existent?

Problem 2 is the implants:

All of the B*-type implants are rare as hen's teeth and accordingly insanely expensive. So if you'd be happy with your lesser TP chip, but maybe would like to use your moderate Nerve Blast Chip, your TT implant will not work anymore. You need a B*-type implant, and these are nearly inexistent in the market.

So using MF at all doesn't make much sense - for sure, there are nice possibilities, but ask your purse about! Anything beyond impressing newbies with a small heal, an insta-Snable-Blast or TP'ing away becomes most expensive, because there's no supply at all with the tools needed.

MA has begun it, has faced difficulties, and has forgotten it. Like so many other things. Ahhhh - the Mindforce!

Have fun!

[Elwarth]

Or you could increase sweat droprate further...

When it looted less of it and sold at 1,2 pec per unit and now loots more at 5 pec per unit, same result for the sweater.

Solution: Multiply the current sweat ammounts by 5x, force it down to 1 pec per unit. Fixed.

[mandu]

Entropedia does not include MU in eco prices.

MF chips are very un Eco compared to the alternatives.