Ruga hof

[strakkan]

Grats MJ to your nice find ! If people discuss skills and findings and you feel they are accusing you of something its a misunderstanding and you shouldnt care.

MA has got a real big bug in their miningsystem , or rare ore is put on hold respawning until the meteorevent is finished on Amethera. We have had some testing in PAC and its pure senslessness ( is that even a word? ) in the miningsystem atm. Newly created avatars finds vast deposit within 200 bombs.They also advance in ridiculous speed through skillsystem. Took one of our noob avatars 184 bombs and 1 vast deposit to be ready for lvl4 miningequipment ....i just dont know anymore. PE is suddenly a game mastered in a few days?
And yes, it says less likely but I have carpetbombed every rugaplace I know of and havnt even found a stone yet..
Im really not complaining.....im adapting and are doing nice and steady profit each day by playing according to the current rules...but is it fun? Is it making me wanna skill up and get better? Nah....atm its just a matter of surviving...

regards

Strakkan

[Aio]

strakkan - new avatars dont find vasts in 200 bombs, or at least, noobs dont. You're using your knowledge of the game, then starting a new avatar.. well, its likely that you'll hit something big. Yes I was suprised when i did a little mining on a new avatar that i was able to get skill which would have taken 3weeks - 1 month to achieve, in a day. But, i lost 130 ped. Maybe im a special case (lots of people call me that ) but im sorry if i dont believe that every new avatar gets a vast in 200bombs.

No offence, because you are the number 1 miner, but the only reason you are hitting those deposits (or, the only reason PAC is) is due to your mining knowledge + techniques, not 100% due to ingame skill numbers.

[Einstein]

I agree that the mining system isn't what it should be yet.
From what i noticed you get a skill bonus on of-105 around 260 prospecting
I think it all goes a bit too fast.
I don't mind lvl'ing up at the same rate as hunters etc can do, but you shouldn't be able to use the highest lvl tools efficiently at such a low lvls, unless perhaps higher lvl tools arive soon?

[HunterZ]

[quote=Aio]strakkan - new avatars dont find vasts in 200 bombs, or at least, noobs dont.
QUOTE]

i can agree and disagree in same time.

we made experiment before this VU - me and n00b avatar(long time player with good knowledge mined with him) runed in long mining trip - (i am not uber miner, but not total n00b too) results was diferent- very diferent. atm - hard to say - but i can agreemore with strakkan - my less skilled friends mostly returns with same or biger profit then i both 10k+ hofs... dont take it personaly - i didnt heard about these pplz before. ok - 1 of them can be hited by accident and with very less probability of finding with n00b avatar. but both.... .

rare ores... seems they become very rare so far i found only 1 kanerium deposit. my friend found azzuridite. and i saw 1 rugritz global... thats all....
i using OF 105 with full efeciency, droped minimum 5k bombs. 1 deposit sounds to rare for me.

[Aio]

sure its strange, but think about this:

How many 'uber' miners are there? really? personally i know about 5 that could class as uber. Maybe if you could all of PAC and then add a few from other socs, you are getting there.

Ok, so lets make an estimate of 40-50 fulltime / uber miners.

Now, think how many people have tried mining since they heard about the meteor event. 500? 1000? id estimate 2-3000.

50 -> 3000. Thats 6000% more noob / low skill miners than uber miners. Doesnt it make sense, that even if each uber miner drops 500 bombs / day average, and each low skill drops 25 / day average, thats still 3x as many bombs dropped by 'noobs' than 'ubers'- 75000 noob bombs / 25000 uber bombs.

Cant you see, that even with these estimates (i think they could be a bit bloated aswell - cant see 25000 uber bombs dropped a day to be honest) that a noob hof is quite likely?

Lets try and estimate some skill %'ges into this.

say an uber miner is likely to HOF 0.1% of the bombs he drops (thats an average of 0.5 hofs / day for 500 bombs). so, 50 uber miners at 0.1% likely at 500 bombs per day = 25 hofs / day from uber miners.

Seems reasonable...

Then we do the noob miners:

noob miner is likely to HOF 0.01% of the bombs he drops (thats an average of 0.0025 hofs / day for 25 bombs, which is 200 times less likely than an uber). so, 3000 noob miners at 0.01% likely at 25 bombs per day = 7.5 HOFs / day average for noob miners.

So, you average group of noobs will hof less likely, because they have less funds (i.e. less bombs), and less skill (% chance of HOF).

But it shows, that even though a single noob may be 200 times less likely to HOF than an uber, as a group they are only 3.33 less likely to HOF than the group of ubers.

To me, that shows that it makes sense that a noob can get an uber. Especially if those noobs are using more than 25 bombs / day average and even more especially if those noobs skill % chance of hof is closer to the ubers.

[psychnosiz]

If all rare and or big deposists can only be found by "ubers", then there is almost no single point for a n00b to begin or even to consider playing.

Not everyone is able to process several 100$'s throughout the game to have the minimum skills to atleast find some poor deposists and "skill" his way up.
Everyone wants the biggest and rare deposit; but while n00bs can rarely find one they certainly can't become the solemn property of the better skilled.
I personally prefer a noob getting an uber so he can get started and making his ingame "career" without having to deposit then an uber getting more or less sick winnings (sorry starman, with all do respect but that 19k could also be diverted in 19x1k to have more hunters "surviving").

I begin to find this "whining" (my apologies to those that have another impression but this is my HUMBLE opinion) very irritating. Seems that only a smaller number of people care or are happy for someone else and for the rest of the time are just playing with a green face because other people global bigger. I mean - more skilled miners do have their ways already to create profit of some fields. If you can't - yeah well, then there's no difference between the n00b and the uber and you wasted too many peds while using the same factor (LUCK) as a companion.

[Aio]

Can i just say, there are 3 factors in PE, and only 3:

Skill
Knowledge
Luck

If you have 2 or more of these, then you will profit.

oh, and each one should be taken as a factor from 0-1. Therefore, maybe you have 3000 mining skill (average). This should be about 0.6-7 on the mining skill, then maybe you know how to mine and where deposits are, that should be 0.8. so from those two, you have 1.4-1.5. So you need to make 0.5 luck or more, to profit

[strakkan]

Aio .
I realize I have expressed myself poorely in my previous post. The important thing was not that a noob-avatar actually can find a vast deposit ( or bigger ). Im a bit dissapointed that it takes only a few days ( including maybe a vast deposit ) to skill up and be ready for the best equipment the game can offer.
Concerning knowledge of the game im in twilightzone just as anyone else. I make my profit on Amethera using TT detectors . The knowledge i used to have has so far resulted in 15 kaneriumstones and 9 or 10 dianumstones. And thats after carpetbombing good spots for over 1 week at diffrent times. I have made 200 bomb trips in search after Durullium and come back with 4 ingots. Not to mention the decay and loss of ammo due to ubercrowded mobspawns.
Im ok with it as I can go to Ameth and make up the losses mining belk and blaus but is this the way MA intended mining to be?

Regards

Strakkan

[strakkan]

Originally Posted by psychnosiz

If all rare and or big deposists can only be found by "ubers", then there is almost no single point for a n00b to begin or even to consider playing.

Not everyone is able to process several 100$'s throughout the game to have the minimum skills to atleast find some poor deposists and "skill" his way up.
Everyone wants the biggest and rare deposit; but while n00bs can rarely find one they certainly can't become the solemn property of the better skilled.
I personally prefer a noob getting an uber so he can get started and making his ingame "career" without having to deposit then an uber getting more or less sick winnings (sorry starman, with all do respect but that 19k could also be diverted in 19x1k to have more hunters "surviving").

I begin to find this "whining" (my apologies to those that have another impression but this is my HUMBLE opinion) very irritating. Seems that only a smaller number of people care or are happy for someone else and for the rest of the time are just playing with a green face because other people global bigger. I mean - more skilled miners do have their ways already to create profit of some fields. If you can't - yeah well, then there's no difference between the n00b and the uber and you wasted too many peds while using the same factor (LUCK) as a companion.

Is it ok that we are trying to discuss possible problems with the game without disturbing you ?

[Aio]

For sure, i realise the problems with mining skills:

. Its too easy to make the skill required to find mining easy.
. There arent enough detectonators / finders to make a skill spread possible.

I also realise that rare ores are just that - too rare. What should really be happening, is that the better miners get the better ore, the lesser miners get the lesser ore... MA tried to do this, but they must have got some probability calculation wrong somewhere as it didnt work.

So, the solution? Well, rare ore frequencies should be raised, for every skill level. Dont just think about the mining profession, think about the crafting profession aswell...

And then after that, I dont know.. ubers make lots of profit, mediums make small profits, noobs lose... isnt that how its always going to be? No matter what the method is?