Mining Tool range

[seamaster]

Hi.

I've seen alot of questions regarding the distance between bombs or probes. So yesterday I started to think ( ).
Each tool has a significant difference when it comes to the depth - whatever depth means since it looks like it has no meaning at all.
Conclusion: No need to get a high-end finder when it comes to the depth.
Should be: Big depth - bigger deposits.

Well, anyway, the interesting thing is that the difference between the tools when it comes to range is very very small. I mean what kind of difference can 0.5 - 1 meter in range make? Beats me.
Conclusion: No need to get a high-end finder when it comes to the range.
Should be: Low end detectonator/finder - less range.

Range and Depth:
Conclusion: The range and depth are features not yet implemented.
Should be: Skilled miners should benefit from higher range and depth that should come with high-end gear.

It's only extractors/miners/drillers that actually make any sense at all.
Conclusion: High-end can pull more in less time.
Should be: The way it is.

Last but not least - what skill goes with what gear?
Lets start with the detectonators/finders.
a) I for one cant see any difference when it comes to skill gains using a tool with LFB YES or NO. The skill gains are Prospecting, Surveying, Perception, Geology.
b) The depth is not moving an inch even if any of the above skills move up fast. Would not be surprised if I am wrong here tho.

Extractors:
Using a tool with LFB YES or NO makes no difference when it comes to skill gains Mining, Drilling or Extraction.

So my conclusion is that we make assumptions regarding the tools that are far more complicated then it is. I think that the mining system is a fake when it comes to detectonators/finders. I have no proof at all from anyone, yet, that a highskilled miner can find more then a n00b due to the fact that they master a high-end gear.

/Sea

what I am saying is not at all a flame, but ironic. seems like ur socmate, mr. Silver, has completely different opinions on these matters..

myself I think/feel/whatever that i can do best with my best mastered tool (of 103 that is)

[Crosis]

I'm pretty much a noob miner, but I decided after using TT MF and MF 101 that i wanted to try the 105, bought one on auction 5 or 6 months ago at TT + 70 and never went back, I always got more hits, more often than not i made a profit, even with the decay on the MF 105. After the recent VU skill changes i went from 40 surveying to 160 surveying in 3 days, it was just amazing. I dont even deposit, so i had a limited number of probes to go on, then back to sweating or trading.

My suggestions to noob miners:

If you are limited on funds, stick to areas that soc mates say pay off, it is expensive to locate your own mining locations at random.

If an area doesn't pay off within 5 probes, move on, dont carpet bomb an area that doesn't produce right away, it could be dry, or others could have recently mined it.

The mining tools that have a YES for skill boost seem to perform very badly for me, bought a MF-103 after the new VU because it said that i would get a skill boost, my MF105 still provides triple the skill boost, and hits way way more.

READ --- the forum posts about mining. There are so many very perceptive people that mine, they find patterns, methodologies, and most often post interesting theories about how the mining works. Whether or not thier theories are true or not, i have gotten some really good experiences going out and testing thier theories.

Programmers --- there are lots of folks that write small utilities that can take in information about your tools and coords of mining hits and provide a map of the next logical places to bomb to provide good coverage, with some of the recent changes many folks are trying the Spiral Bombing methodology, look it up!

Make maps --- early on i used neomap to mark coords of hits (and misses!), what i got, and what VU. Now i know where the good places are in my head and i dont bother with all that typing anymore, but maps can really help you establish a solid foundation of places to mine.

Random Drops --- if you are running between places and have the extra probes, drop a few here and there, especially if there are mobs around, the one best tip that i can give is that MOBS GUARD DEPOSITS. Since the latest VU it has become clear that mobs stand around the deposits.

GL to all you noobs, im planning on graduating from noob to not so noob, so you will be on your own.

MF 105 is HIGHER than 103, so if 103 has bons, 105 will have for sure....

[Shinobi C]

Originally Posted by Kerham

MF 105 is HIGHER than 103, so if 103 has bons, 105 will have for sure....

Well, have you checked this out for yourself? Because what you just stated is not true.
I'm still a newbie in mining and have a bonus on the 103, but no bonus on the 105 series ....

shinobi, that is because u are not skilled enough to USE 105.

[Shinobi C]

Originally Posted by Kerham

shinobi, that is because u are not skilled enough to USE 105.

Indeed, and with this quote you are contradicting yourself

[Einstein]

Originally Posted by Kerham

shinobi, that is because u are not skilled enough to USE 105.

I was skilled enough to use of105 once, but didn't get bonus.

this is twilight zone.

so, 105 has larger range, increased depth, but u want me to admit that 105 is inferior to 103? -_-

[Morg]

Originally Posted by seamaster

So my conclusion is that we make assumptions regarding the tools that are far more complicated then it is. I think that the mining system is a fake when it comes to detectonators/finders. I have no proof at all from anyone, yet, that a highskilled miner can find more then a n00b due to the fact that they master a high-end gear.

/Sea

Here is a non-assumption for ya

There is a large benefit from using high end tools :
higher end tools = higher decay = higher income for MA...doesnt seem too complicated to me

The only benefit to miners that I can tell from experience ( I carry set of ore 101 tools and set of 105's) is the speed of extractors and the radius of finders. Weight and depth at this point mean pretty much nothing to me...there isnt enough of a difference to justify wasting the higher decay$ since larger deposits arent deeper than regular ones, and what tool you use has nothing to do with what ore you will find...as MA has stated that is skill related. As far as this "learning bonus" , there is no ju$tifiable "bonus" (for me) in the skill/pec(decay) from a 105 vs. a 101.

For what I can see, the new mining VU has brought a large increase in prospecting/geology/surveying skill gains (the only mining skills that we can NOT accurately test the benefits from), and a huge decrease (~30%) in drilling/mining skill gains (the only mining skills that we CAN accurately test the benefits from)...if ya hadnt already unlocked extraction, too bad for ya.

I am curious to see what mining will be like once the "event" is over with and ores/matter have stopped raining from the sky. (which may be any day now). Only theory Im willing to share (here) is that the higher level miners will be mining about 90% of the new rare ores with ~10% of mid-low lvl miners getting lucky every now and then. Which is how it should be.