The new Swedish surveillance law

[Dreamdancer]

Swedes massively protest wiretap law

I wish the Swedish public all the best. You seem to have been taken for a ride by the leaders you voted to represent you.

This is really bad. I do not believe I can continue to do financial transactions with a company in this country. No more depositing, no transactions with Sweden whatsoever until this law is abolished.

In other words: I believe MA should get the fuck out of this country, where the "leaders" sandpaperglovefistfuck the sovereign (that is YOU, Swedish citizens).

Regards,
DD

[Etopia]

Most country filter comunication...
Never heard about echellon ?

Who carre that they look at comunication ?
Problem is not if they listen , problem is who will do what with info ?

If its used to murder som poor jew , black or people that pray budha .. then its shit...
But if it help to find some child abuser , people who !!!! live girl , or what ever of that kind , then its fine by me.

Problem is not the record of data , but what you do with it.

and anyway , i am sure swedish like all country chek they comunication since long time , they just made it official now...

[Dreamdancer]

Originally Posted by Etopia

Who carre that they look at comunication ?
Problem is not if they listen , problem is who will do what with info ?

This like WARRANTLESSLY opening letters. No control whatsoever who is looking at your comm. I hold you a very intelligent person, Etopia, you should know that what legally CAN be done, will be done. As long as the law does not say "in case of child abuse or terrorism" (terrorism? what terrorism? how many Swedes died of terror the last 10 years? I believe they incarcerated a terrorist wannabee in 2002, and thats about it), there is no reason for the police to not use it in finding out about "illegal filesharers", and that EXACTLY is what it is there for.

Apart from that, I consider my comm private, especially my financial transactions. Nobody has the right to get unwarranted info on that. Not even a Swede. I, as a german citizen, still have a right to privacy, a right that is constantly and vigorously upheld by Germany's Supreme Court, no matter what the legislators I did not vote try. This right will absolutely not be taken from me by some corrupt Swedish politician unknown and of no interest whatsoever to me.

Regards,
DD

[Etopia]

Originally Posted by Dreamdancer

This like WARRANTLESSLY opening letters. No control whatsoever who is looking at your comm.

Why you care someone may watch your com ? do you have something illegal to hide ?

Originally Posted by Dreamdancer

I hold you a very intelligent person, Etopia, you should know that what legally CAN be done, will be done.

I dont know if i am inteligent , and anyway , what it mean ? inteligent ?
What i know is , so far , i havent see 1 country where the population is aware of what the army and the governement do...
I say it again , i am sure sedish army do chek swedish communication since years , they just make it official now...And its probably a good things , because they will maybe try to protect themself from echellon...
Do you think when you use american satelite you comunication is not record ?
I dont think there is 1 comunication in that world that is not checked.

Originally Posted by Dreamdancer

As long as the law does not say "in case of child abuse or terrorism" (terrorism? what terrorism? how many Swedes died of terror the last 10 years? I believe they incarcerated a terrorist wannabee in 2002, and thats about it), there is no reason for the police to not use it in finding out about "illegal filesharers", and that EXACTLY is what it is there for.

Apart from that, I consider my comm private, especially my financial transactions. Nobody has the right to get unwarranted info on that. Not even a Swede. I, as a german citizen, still have a right to privacy, a right that is constantly and vigorously upheld by Germany's Supreme Court, no matter what the legislators I did not vote try. This right will absolutely not be taken from me by some corrupt Swedish politician unknown and of no interest whatsoever to me.

hoo germany ... hahaha , do you know they hold one of the europe echellon base , because they had american military in they country after the 2 world war ?

[Count Joe]

I agree with etopia.. unless u dont have anything to hide you dont have to worrie.

and where is the privacy in internet? there is always someone who can read/check what you do on internet

and for the record, FRA is a creation from when the social democrats were in commande.. so dont believe that if the red side had the power, it would have been different

[StrongMinded]

Originally Posted by Etopia

Why you care someone may watch your com ? do you have something illegal to hide ?


I dont know if i am inteligent , and anyway , what it mean ? inteligent ?
What i know is , so far , i havent see 1 country where the population is aware of what the army and the governement do...
I say it again , i am sure sedish army do chek swedish communication since years , they just make it official now...And its probably a good things , because they will maybe try to protect themself from echellon...
Do you think when you use american satelite you comunication is not record ?
I dont think there is 1 comunication in that world that is not checked.



hoo germany ... hahaha , do you know they hold one of the europe echellon base , because they had american military in they country after the 2 world war ?

You are incorrect Etopia, the government was only able to to look at 5% of the traffic going via radio. Now they are allowed to read emails, tap phones, and all other activity we do communicating. It´s not about having anything to hide, it´s about the intergrity of a person and that they can do whatever they want without asking any questions. If you send an email to a friend with certan words that FRA will pickup on, you will suddenly have a tap on your ass. Or if you speak to people abroad, or send emails or whatever, they can and will look at both you, and me because it might be a terrorist act conversation.

[SODERD]

Originally Posted by strakkan

Ouch ! So they did it ??? Thats extremely bad news and calls for changes next election

wont vote for the borgarbracket again

but i cant say this is a very bad thing... i would be ok with dna records to... everything to make life safer.

[Count Joe]

Originally Posted by StrongMinded

You are incorrect Etopia, the government was only able to to look at 5% of the traffic going via radio. Now they are allowed to read emails, tap phones, and all other activity we do communicating. It´s not about having anything to hide, it´s about the intergrity of a person and that they can do whatever they want without asking any questions. If you send an email to a friend with certan words that FRA will pickup on, you will suddenly have a tap on your ass. Or if you speak to people abroad, or send emails or whatever, they can and will look at both you, and me because it might be a terrorist act conversation.

thats not completly right either.

Its only electronic communacation they are allowed to get information from.

[StrongMinded]

Originally Posted by Count Joe

thats not completly right either.

Its only electronic communacation they are allowed to get information from.

Electronic as in email, phonecalls, sms, internet etc. etc. etc....

The FRA law (FRA-lagen in Swedish) is the common name for legislation with the stated purpose of fighting terrorism in Sweden, including a new law put forward by the government as well as several modifications to existing laws, formally called proposition 2006/07:63 – En anpassad försvarsunderrättelseverksamhet (proposition 2006/07:63 – An intelligence agency accommodation). The law, taking effect in 2009, gives the Swedish National Defence Radio Establishment (FRA, Swedish Försvarets radioanstalt) the right to intercept all internet exchange points that exchange traffic that crosses Swedish borders, though experts argue that it is impossible to differentiate between international traffic, and traffic between Swedes.

New Signal Surveillance Act (FöU15)

WEDNESDAY 18 JUNE 2008

The Riksdag approved the Government’s proposal for a new Signal Surveillance Act in defence intelligence activities. The Act applies to signal surveillance for defence intelligence purposes, whether transmitted over the air or by wire.

[Count Joe]

you can still send a letter

but still, why do ppl think there is something called privacy on internet? everything you do is stored somewhere. If you use Gmail for example, they are scanning you emails hard for information