The new Swedish surveillance law

[AlphaGeek]

Interesting this thread has gone as long as it has. I thought political discussions were disallowed by forum rules.

Like this new law in Sweden, I suppose it's what those enforcing the rules choose to look for at any given time.

FWIW, we have a similar law in the US, precipitated by the events of Sept 11th 2001. To my knowledge, it's not been used other than the pursuit of terrorist groups and their members.

If you're worried about the government checking you out while you're checking out pr0n, I wouldn't worry too much, King Carl the 16th won't be able to keep up with the amount of data passing through and stay on top of all that other Kingly stuff he's expected to do.

AG

[Etopia]

Originally Posted by predden

Criminal organisations will in the long run be able to threaten ppl working at FRA for information, there will always be the risk of insider trading, secure company information will leak to competitors, other Swedish authority could get information from FRA that they wouldn’t be able to get their hands on otherwise. FRA has sold information to other countries in the past such as USA, UK, France, Germany and other… and with the almost neonazi anti piracy organisations in the US we will all be in deep shit if we cant stop this stupid law.

So , do you think you are secure when echellon exist ?
FRA did sold info to other country allready ?
Up to you to vote for people that take carre of you ...
But , hell , most country did sold info ..
email adress list are forbiden to collect and sell if not alowed by the owner , still , you can buy my adress on som special site...
Anyway ... nazi did not need complicated list of info to burn jew... if you was looking like jew , or if you neightbourg whant get rid of you , was big enought prouf that you must be burned...

If you got the right to encrypt the way you want then work with it...
Only inteligent and good encryption can protect you , for sure , not a crap law...
We all are allready total fuked...

Point is not if information are colected or what ever , because this is donne anyway... the interessing question is : there is something against abuse ?

anyway... i dont think sweden , france or england or what ever country will bother with their own law if they want get rid of your ass...Any police guy can strangely find drungs in your poket,and judge give you the max time...
The mail story just make me laught...As long are there is a law that say something is forbiden , it is possible to fake som prouf and get who ever you wish accused...
go kill someone , lose there som hair you did catch in his house , and you creater a murderer...
Now , it is up to police to do good job or shit job... same with mail...

ho , and for those who like to wonder about data colecting :
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

Be happy , google deleted last year all they data colected in the search engine ... they keep only 2 years data now...

Liberty lol

As long as you make revolution a joint of ganja in mouth a beer in hand with your friend in the sofa of your salon , politic people wont carre much what else you do...
Keep buy petrol , food , what ever , they earn from it...
They will bother if you beggin to want their job and their money , but then i guess , you will encrypt...
Rest , is only a show... TV , radio internet ... while you do this you keep give them more power.

[predden]

Originally Posted by Etopia

So , do you think you are secure when echellon exist ?
FRA did sold info to other country allready ?
Up to you to vote for people that take carre of you ...
But , hell , most country did sold info ..
email adress list are forbiden to collect and sell if not alowed by the owner , still , you can buy my adress on som special site...
Anyway ... nazi did not need complicated list of info to burn jew... if you was looking like jew , or if you neightbourg whant get rid of you , was big enought prouf that you must be burned...

If you got the right to encrypt the way you want then work with it...
Only inteligent and good encryption can protect you , for sure , not a crap law...
We all are allready total fuked...

Point is not if information are colected or what ever , because this is donne anyway... the interessing question is : there is something against abuse ?

anyway... i dont think sweden , france or england or what ever country will bother with their own law if they want get rid of your ass...Any police guy can strangely find drungs in your poket,and judge give you the max time...
The mail story just make me laught...As long are there is a law that say something is forbiden , it is possible to fake som prouf and get who ever you wish accused...
go kill someone , lose there som hair you did catch in his house , and you creater a murderer...
Now , it is up to police to do good job or shit job... same with mail...

ho , and for those who like to wonder about data colecting :
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

Be happy , google deleted last year all they data colected in the search engine ... they keep only 2 years data now...

Liberty lol

As long as you make revolution a joint of ganja in mouth a beer in hand with your friend in the sofa of your salon , politic people wont carre much what else you do...
Keep buy petrol , food , what ever , they earn from it...
They will bother if you beggin to want their job and their money , but then i guess , you will encrypt...
Rest , is only a show... TV , radio internet ... while you do this you keep give them more power.

or you can just join them..

[StrongMinded]

The US senate voted the law through aswell this Wednesday and they also have a intimitate information exchange system with Sweden...

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00168

I think the pressure from the US towards Sweden is a big factor in this matter.

[Joat]

To be honest, I don't care that much of the new law.
As long people, and authorities, understand this:
"Freedom has a dear friend called Responsibility. If either of them are
missing, the other one is suffering."
then there is no problem. Anything can be exploited, so no matter what
they do, none is 100% secure from illegal activities.
I mean, how many among the Average-Joe, will really be affected
of the law?

[Dreamdancer]

http://www.centrumforrattvisa.se/...

The best of luck to them. This could become a precedent for european human rights legislation.

Pull this one off, and you will have made headway for the whole of Europe. Swedes, support the Centrum för Rättvisa!!!

Regards,
DD

[Dion Red Strike]

Originally Posted by StrongMinded

The US senate voted the law through aswell this Wednesday and they also have a intimitate information exchange system with Sweden...

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00168

I think the pressure from the US towards Sweden is a big factor in this matter.

I would not disagree with your assumption here. The US government has gone completely beyond it's purpose and initial proclomations.

I feel bad for both those in the US and Sweden, and those other countries that have similair laws being enacted.

It is a sad world that is taking place in the name of 'anti-terrorism'. The whole reason in which terrorists exist is to have our freedoms limited. They exist to change our lives to theirs.

1984 is upon us my friends...

It was said earlier in this thread, and it bears repeating;

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
Benjamin Franklin

[Vedder]

Bah, that's one crappy law.
The terrorists are winning a small victory, when they make us pass laws like that, purely out of fear.

[burnsey]

Originally Posted by http://www.theseminal.com/2008/07/11/hard-logic/

I finally understand the rationale for the latest FISA revisions.

When George Bush signed into law the Fourth Amendment Abrogation Act of 2008 (known to some as the FISA “compromise”) he praised the bill for granting him the powers necessary to fight the “ter’ists” who “hate us for our freedom.”

By enacting a piece of legislation that eliminates much of our freedom, the terrorists now have less reason to hate us.

QED. GWOT™ won. Mission accomplished.

I found this guy had a good explanation of what was going on.

[predden]

Originally Posted by Joat

To be honest, I don't care that much of the new law.
As long people, and authorities, understand this:
"Freedom has a dear friend called Responsibility. If either of them are
missing, the other one is suffering."
then there is no problem. Anything can be exploited, so no matter what
they do, none is 100% secure from illegal activities.
I mean, how many among the Average-Joe, will really be affected
of the law?

R U an American?