The new Swedish surveillance law

[waperboy]

Now it is done.

Yesterday evening, the Swedish government passed the new law. The law that allows an autonomous military intelligence agency to wiretap all cable-based communication across the Swedish borders.

The public outcry has been huge the last couple of weeks, protesting against the proposal, but it has been ignored.

The moment they start looking for threats, threats will be found - whether they are real or not.

They say that we live in a democracy. But the word is just an illusion, a smoke screen. The government does what it wants, with no regard for the opinion of the people.

The government is controlling and oppressive. It entangles us in rules, regulations and prohibitions, forces its decrees down throats of the people.

Now that France has proposed the model of denying internet access for file-sharers, it will not be long until the same proposal is made in Sweden. And it will be passed, as all oppressive new proposals are.

We're headed for a cold, hard future as a society.

[strakkan]

Ouch ! So they did it ??? Thats extremely bad news and calls for changes next election

[Count Joe]

yes it was some big protest about the law.. but still the absolut biggest mass aproved it. Im not a superfan of the law but as there is so much crimes happening on internet I can understand how a law like this comes up


democracy can be seen in different ways.. some ppl even call Cuba a democracy


the frence law arent so bad. Downloading music arent a good way. it gets harder and harder for a musician to be able to live on its music.. if they even can live on it. I did download music before but have started to buy CDs now instead. its better sound from a cd, its more fun to have and you help the creation of new music

[Dreamdancer]

Outch. So, you are having your own small echelon there too.

I thought I read somewhere yesterday that this would be reconsidered becoz of massive public protest... Can't find it now, might have been wishful thinking...

I was thinking highly of Sweden and thought you were very concerned with privacy and free speech, home of the pirate bay and all...

This is a sad day for the world.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Benjamin Franklin

Regards,
DD

[Count Joe]

Originally Posted by strakkan

Ouch ! So they did it ??? Thats extremely bad news and calls for changes next election

I doubt that changing partie would have made any differens.. afaik, Boström proposed the same ide

[StrongMinded]

The only choice we have now is to vote for the PP (Pirate Party) the next election...

I will also start encrypting everything and join Tor and i will go around in internet cafe´s writing all the things i can come up with that can be traced by this damn law....

Voted to the power by the people and not listening to anything we say.

Threathening the party members that voice their opinions and want to say NO. Is this democracy??

This is what stasi and the nazi parties was doing not long ago.

Pressen är emot det. ( The press is against it )
Advokaterna är emot det. ( Lawyers are against it )
Bloggarna (över 90%) är emot det. ( Bloggers are against it )
Polisen är emot det. ( The police are against it )
Säkerhetspolisen är emot det. ( The security police are against it )
Utländska experter är emot det. ( Foreign experts are against it )
Folket är emot det (enligt de visserligen ganska blygsamma enkäter som gjorts av ett antal tidningar) ( The people are against it )

Kortfattat: ( In short )
Alla de som ska övervakas är emot det. ( The ones that will be monitored are against it )
Alla de som ska övervaka är för det. ( The ones monitoring us wants the law )

[StrongMinded]

Originally Posted by Dreamdancer

Outch. So, you are having your own small echelon there too.

I thought I read somewhere yesterday that this would be reconsidered becoz of massive public protest... Can't find it now, might have been wishful thinking...

I was thinking highly of Sweden and thought you were very concerned with privacy and free speech, home of the pirate bay and all...

This is a sad day for the world.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Benjamin Franklin

Regards,
DD

They reconsidered a few hours and after scaring the people in the parties saying NO to the law.

[Kimmi]

Well, we dont want any big migration to Norway now, you just stay where you are

[Dreamdancer]

Originally Posted by Count Joe

Downloading music arent a good way. it gets harder and harder for a musician to be able to live on its music.. if they even can live on it. I did download music before but have started to buy CDs now instead. its better sound from a cd, its more fun to have and you help the creation of new music

The problem is, buying a music CD in itself does near to nothing for the artist. If you really want to support your artist, visit their shows, and buy the CDs ON THEIR SHOWS, not at Amazon.

What makes CDs so expensive is the dying distribution juggernaut (the MAFIAA, as most call it), that cannot add value to music any more. These people cling to their antiquated business model, and add nothing of artistic merit to music.

My personal "distribution model" looks like this: I download music. If I like what I downloaded, I will visit the artist's show, and buy the CD there. I admit to those artists that I have the pleasure to meet in person that I downloaded their music, and offer some compensation. Most give me CDs for it.

Regards,
DD

[DeeDee]

Sad sad day indeed.

My understanding is that a lot of countries already has such a law, or already practice this anyway (with a specific law).
Which countries are known? USA for sure, right? Others?