ok, here's an hard one 4 y'all.... hangar

[phonix]

yeah i know its a tricky one cause of..... location location location.

so for the sports lets talk about 3 "base" kind of locations : near major TP's (TI N for example, malls etc.), not so major TP's (NSB, argus) and ofcourse the favorite the no TP location (i.e - cornith).
more to it, would like that who ever feels like, would add with his/her PC opinion, an explanation (investment - return, flight costs, time spent etc.)
I will keep my thoughts about the pricing of them to myself, (to keep it "balanced), but please feel free( and incuredged) to post your own.

[merrmaid]

As a hangar owner #31 and pilot of a ship in SE of Corinth, although selling mine now because leaving game, I can say it makes no difference where your hangar is if someone needs a flight. I built and repaired my ship just taking people up or back.

Now in the age of tp chips alot of people have a chip of one kind or another and travel that way. The bigger chips have an option to take you to any estate, which includes hangars, that you own so I use that to tp to my hangar and wait for the passengers. Many of them beat me there.

When I was actively piloting, I would be out mining and drop everything to take a passenger or passengers up. You need to be able to do that if you want to make piloting your "job". I also gave noobs a chance to make some ped by having them go out and sell seats for me while I just waited at my hangar and did RL stuff while waiting.

Corinth can be mobby at the hangars and even inside the hangars some days. At first some of the mobs were harder for me, but found that most of my passengers were hunters and they were glad to clear out the hangar, lol. Even lost a few passengers to mobs but the nearest revival isn't that far away and they'd run back and we'd be on our way. After awhile I got to the point where an atrox young, snable, etc. wasn't as hard and I could clear it out myself.

As a miner, I even hoffed in my own hangar and another hangar down the way. No, you can't drop bombs in your hangar but dropping them outside of them might end up with the claim inside. I even had to find a couple of people and get permission to go inside and mine my claims.

When I had 2 shopkeepers sitting outside my hangar I was always selling stuff from those shopkeepers which told me that alot of people pass by the Corinth hangars and stopped and looked at what I had to sell. My hangar is at the end of a group of hangars near a turret gun, so much easier to reach.

Location can be an issue but only if you don't look at the big picture, which is:
If someone needs a flight and you are available when someone else isn't, you need a ship to do it !!! LOL

IMHO

[Pheonyx]

I have to disagree, location does matter.

There was a reason i was adamant about getting a hangar in Camp Echidna{actually several}.

It's mobile centres is one of several spots that many crafters like to think of as lucky; so there are always crafters hanging around.

It's got a popular pvp zone around it, which means there are very commonly pk'ers & hunters nearby. About a 30-40 second run from my hangar there is a spot with argos{medium to high maturity}, snarksnots{medium maturity}, drones{low to medium maturity} and other random creatures; which means that although the campsite and hangars are safe, there is still some entertainment to be had less than a minute from the hangars.

It's got low level mobs{exas/daiks} in a very low density; so miners seem to enjoy playing there since they are pretty much safe. {Although there are hyu, but the birds rarely attack - which is annoying when you really want to kill a few and they are out of range}.

On top of this, the mobile is generally swamped with people.{No real explanation of this, people just seem to like the place in general}.

So generally you have people from each of the most popular major proffessions hanging around, as well as those jack of all trades who avoid sticking to one.

Because of the amounts of people that use it - for the above reasons, and many others - it's not uncommon to get standard or V.I.P flights while doing nothing but running to the tp to get to twin.{to the original poster, twin peaks is the standard ticket selling location for most, if not all, pilots. people looking for flights will generally use this as a hub aswell.}

The other important thing about Echidna. The hangars are close to the TP. And pretty often, it does matter to the customer if they have to run 10 mins to the hangar, or there are trox waiting inside for them.{i know you said tp chips, but you'de be surprised by how many players who are pretty well known don't use them. And i also know that trox arent that big a problem, but it's all about providing a service at a high standard without any hiccups like that.

This isn't intended to de-value your hangar or anything. Just to point out that alot of customers do care where the hangar is. And the cornith ones have been the ones to recieve the most stick{which is unfair to the owners there} because of the distances and mobs.

If location wasn't important, why do shops cost more on the busy streets of any city than they do on the quiet, empty ones?
I know this isn't RL, but the same principle applys.

Btw, for the other information on hangars, "(investment - return, flight costs, time spent etc.)" hit the search and type in "Hangar", and you'll get all of that and more. There have been quite a few in-depth discussions over those topics so by the time your done you'll pretty much know everything.

GL

And just to re-state{cause as usual i feel like i was being a bit on the offending slate, this post was not made to de-value or boost the value of any hangars.}

[merrmaid]

Actually, when I posted I was thinking how the location has affected my flight sales. I was busy all day long. I don't actively fly now, but had a regular list of passengers, also, which meant they obviously didn't mind having to travel to a Corinth hanger.

I really think availability and price is also a factor. I'm sure that the Echidna hangers are a well-coveted area, but I think all the people who want a ship, are not going to be able to get a hanger in Echidna and therefore need to know that other hangers are also a viable option. Who knows maybe a tp in the area might be something on MA's future list, now that there are 2 sets of hanger bases in that southern area.

It's all in how you make it work. I started out selling my own tickets and then had sellers go out and sell my tickets and I just waited at the hanger and collected the money and made the flights. Nothing hard about that if you are a pilot and have lots of time ingame to do it efficiently. And most all my flying was when only Crystal Palace was around. Now with CND, flying can really be a full time job.

So, as I said in my post (and I said nothing about Echidna or other areas), it really comes down to a simple fact: if you are flying and others aren't and your price is right, they'll fly with you, whether you're in Corinth or another location. As a pilot, that's sure what happened to me. Also, alot of my regulars were ubers willing to pay full price so as not to have to wait for other passengers. They msg'd me and were waiting for me at my hanger in Corinth. One in particular also had a hanger in Corinth but kept losing the ship after it was parked on one of the stations, so flew with me instead, rofl.
Sometimes people just want to fly with someone they trust or like.

So yes, location can be a factor, of course, anyone knows that, BUT many other factors can affect how successful your travel business is, location being only one of them.


IMHO

[Thantos]

Originally Posted by phonix

yeah i know its a tricky one cause of..... location location location.

so for the sports lets talk about 3 "base" kind of locations : near major TP's (TI N for example, malls etc.), not so major TP's (NSB, argus) and ofcourse the favorite the no TP location (i.e - cornith).
more to it, would like that who ever feels like, would add with his/her PC opinion, an explanation (investment - return, flight costs, time spent etc.)
I will keep my thoughts about the pricing of them to myself, (to keep it "balanced), but please feel free( and incuredged) to post your own.

Do you have one you are thinking about selling?

[Blinding Light]

I also happen to think that location matters. I have a hangar @ TI North, and it is within sight of the TP. I think that this helps greatly, because it is easier to get to, and also because it cuts time going to the Hangar down. Now I know it is just a few seconds, maybe minutes, depeding on where your hangar is, but as they say "time is money". With the closer TP, I can make more trips, and make them faster, since I have a dedicated core of customers. Those customers use ME becuase of the location of the hangar, they dont want to have to run to it.

Now if I had a Corinth hangar, on towards the WAYYY south, I would lose valuable time running/TP chipping (TP Chip would add to the price of the flight, inorder to pay for ME).

Also, the hangars that are closer to the TP's seem to rent better, btw

There is my

Pele

[Pheonyx]

Originally Posted by merrmaid

Actually...

This is why i was worried incase i was seeming to de-value other hangars and bump up echidnas. Sorry if it came off negatively Merrmaid.
Readers, remember, there is no such thing as a useless hangar, it's just that some are more desirable than others. Repeat, this doesn't make them any less able to do what a hangar is there to do. If one has an added advantage, it doesn't mean the other has a disadvantage, just that it doesn't have that added bonus.

{Uhh... now i sound like a kiss ass instead of an argumentative sod }

[merrmaid]

I didn't take your post that way, you're fine, lol.

When I read the poster's new thread it sounded like he wanted to know how location had affected everyone from different locations, not pit one location against another, just to see pros and cons. I only wrote about how business was/wasn't affected at my hanger, which happens to be in Corinth, so location didn't affect me at all.

I built my ship and repaired it and made extra, totally flying people up and back, so I was and am happy. Every day, when I get ingame, usa times, I'm always running into people who can't find a pilot. They're not concerned with where they have to fly from, they just need somebody and willing to pay.

Let's put it this way, most of the hangars in the game are not like Echidna and so there are not enough of those to go around, lol, so they'll have to make due with the rest of us, lol.

[Pheonyx]

Shame your leaving lol. Another good player i never got to know haha.

[Lykke]

I wanna bump this up ... because I'm interested in knowing the same ..

Especially when seeing hangars on auction for 100K not being sold.

Personally I think 100K is WAY too much to pay for an hangar and I'm sure a lot will protest when I'm saying that It just doesnt match with time spend on playing/prices/decay ... !??

Also - did anyone ever rent out an hangar (or rented one) and for how much then?

Thanks
Lykke