R&R Fund

[Lyper]

I would like to, I dont know what your talking about...

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Richard Devil

Its not a scam, if thats what you are asking, and it is great for eu community.

How is continuous reselling and manipulation of the market good for the EU community?

How is artificially raising the market price of rare or semi-rare items good for the EU community?

This is what you're doing, right? If not, perhaps you could give us some examples of the trades you are making in order to increase the value of the portfolio. What items are you trading in?

[Richard Devil]

Originally Posted by Oleg

How is continuous reselling and manipulation of the market good for the EU community?

How is artificially raising the market price of rare or semi-rare items good for the EU community?

This is what you're doing, right? If not, perhaps you could give us some examples of the trades you are making in order to increase the value of the portfolio. What items are you trading in?

I could give u a full list of activities in which im involved as far as trading goes, however its a traders secret. I can explain to u how i make money, but then u can make the same money.
But the items i trade in, well it depends.

But hold on let me just get to the point of resselling and manipulation, first of all it doesnt not always raise the price. Simple example, if there is a surplus ( to much items in the market for the demand, the price falls) ressellers buy the items to sell at a later date, if there is a shortage ( to little items in the market for the demand, the price rises) ressellers sell items. This way the keep the price more stable, it doesnt drop to low, and doesnt rise to high.

That is how resselling is beneficial, without for example me buying 1000ped worth of good a right now, when i know it will go up, a crafter will most likely pay 800ped, and use it right now. However later instead of me selling my good a for 1500 when there is none on the auction, a miner will sell when he gets for more most likely. So the price goes from 1000ped to 1500ped, instead of 800 ped to 1700 ped. This is just an example, in the game the numbers would be different, but the effect the same.

[Richard Devil]

Ok but the point here is, are u questioning whether i make money, or whether i provide a service to the community?

If you hate ressellers, would u want to have profit from them? There are many ressellers out there that will be making tons of money of eu, and not giving anything back. But i on the other hand will be handing back in terms of interest, part of the money i make. And you saying that is bad?

I make money, you make money, the money stays in the game, and most importantly the economy, the rotation of the money continues.
Whats the problem here?

I dont see why this service is not beneficial to the community.

[leemcumiskey]

If it look's like a kipper smell's like a kipper and taste's like a kipper.

Then by power of the lord jesus christ almighty it's a god damned kipper.

Now unless you like fish leave it alone.

Regard's
Lee

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Richard Devil

Ok but the point here is, are u questioning whether i make money, or whether i provide a service to the community?...

Nah, we have no doubt that you'll make money.
The question is how many investors will lose money.

The "fishy-list":
- Too good to be true? Fishy.
- It's a trade business secret how you make you money? Hmm... Even fishier.
- Why share your sure profit with others? Just invest 100k yourself, and get all the profits yourself? Hmm.. Smelly too.
- Guaranties not to lose the investment??? Aw, come on.

I'm sorry if you're not a scammer... But I really doubt that.
Nothing personal.

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Richard Devil

I could give u a full list of activities in which im involved as far as trading goes, however its a traders secret. I can explain to u how i make money, but then u can make the same money.
But the items i trade in, well it depends.

But hold on let me just get to the point of resselling and manipulation, first of all it doesnt not always raise the price. Simple example, if there is a surplus ( to much items in the market for the demand, the price falls) ressellers buy the items to sell at a later date, if there is a shortage ( to little items in the market for the demand, the price rises) ressellers sell items. This way the keep the price more stable, it doesnt drop to low, and doesnt rise to high.

That is how resselling is beneficial, without for example me buying 1000ped worth of good a right now, when i know it will go up, a crafter will most likely pay 800ped, and use it right now. However later instead of me selling my good a for 1500 when there is none on the auction, a miner will sell when he gets for more most likely. So the price goes from 1000ped to 1500ped, instead of 800 ped to 1700 ped. This is just an example, in the game the numbers would be different, but the effect the same.

So are you saying that you only trade in 'resources' rather than 'equipment'? i.e. Do you only trade in stackable-type items such as ores or tailoring materials, or do you also buy weapons and armour, for example?

If it's the former, you are a trader. If it's the latter, you are a re-seller. Which are you?

[Richard Devil]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Nah, we have no doubt that you'll make money.
The question is how many investors will lose money.

The "fishy-list":
- Too good to be true? Fishy.
- It's a trade business secret how you make you money? Hmm... Even fishier.
- Why share your sure profit with others? Just invest 100k yourself, and get all the profits yourself? Hmm.. Smelly too.
- Guaranties not to lose the investment??? Aw, come on.

I'm sorry if you're not a scammer... But I really doubt that.
Nothing personal.

1. Anything of this sort would sound to good to be true, why? Because this is the first of its kind i believe in eu. BTW its been running for 3 months, one investor already cashed out, i can ask him to post here, he knew me for a while too, and is resepctable in the community.
2. Go ask a trader, who do u sell ur stuff too, answer right away, crafter. But i estimate that 90% of the time they sell to the auction, just like any1 can do. Why keep it secret? dunno maybe so the person doesnt have more competition, and has more suppliers?
3. If i had 100k, i wouldnt even bother with something like this. A bank would definetly not give a loan when u just mention real cash economy game. Besides im not the only one who is doing this, Virtual Fond, related but a bit different. Besides the obvious similarities, where u trust the person with the money, u got the auctual chance of loosing money if the shares drop in value, by just people cashing out.
4.I aggre this part sounds weird, but i know ways where i profit for sure, just because i provide the service of the trader.

No problem with you doubting me, this universe is full of scammers, so any honest idea coming out has to be checked and rechecked, to make sure it safe.

[Richard Devil]

Originally Posted by Oleg

So are you saying that you only trade in 'resources' rather than 'equipment'? i.e. Do you only trade in stackable-type items such as ores or tailoring materials, or do you also buy weapons and armour, for example?

If it's the former, you are a trader. If it's the latter, you are a re-seller. Which are you?

So lets say i buy weapons/armours from a crafter and sell it to hunters from a shop or on the street, am i a trader or a resseller?

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Richard Devil

So lets say i buy weapons/armours from a crafter and sell it to hunters from a shop or on the street, am i a trader or a resseller?

That would depend on whether you use an artifically inflated markup or whether you make a small commission of a PED or two.

I note that you're not answering the question. And I think that you know very well what I'm talking about, you're just avoiding the issue.