NOT An Uber!!

[Bloodbone]

OK folks, here it is.

I've done my best to keep up with things in-world and am still learning protocol on the Forum. I've made mistakes, had my account locked, but still have had faith in the majority of our participants and the MA Way.

My question is... " Does anyone else feel slighted and turned-off by the skill adjustments made over the past year+?"

I am not an uber, but I damn well try hard. I like to find the areas of weakness with my avi and attack them to feel satisfied with progress and improvement. 18 months ago, I could melee several Young Ambulimax while assisting sweater's, no, not the wool kind, with no armour and take it all in stride.

Now, I chose to attempt to increase Sweating and Mindforce skills where I am weakest. HOLY CRAP!! No armour, but for crying out loud, 2 Combibo (Young) and 1 Exarosuar (Young) are kicking my ***! IS THIS FOR REAL?

For the record, I have about 5k skill in BOTH Evade and Avoidance right now!! This also means I had ALOT less than that 18 months ago since I have not chipped out either of those skills or any other possibly associated skill!

So already long story short, how can we feel any sense of accomplishment when periodic adjustments like this keep setting us back by years? I log almost daily and am active for at least several hours as the norm. Does anyone agree/disagree? I would appreciate hearing your opinion!

Thanks,
Bloodbone

[andy5579]

IMO It is very sad to see-when you skill up but in theory take steps backwards. Now not only is it harder to get skills, skills MEAN less :/ I wish MA would make it so that when you get better, lower level mobs either leave you alone more or hit almost no times at all! I once watched a guy with no armour take on troxies with melee a few months into the game (1 and a half years ago) and that always struck me as something to aim for-but now? I barely feel any different with mobs hitting me left right and center :/ I know that THERE WILL be a difference but it just doent feel that much for the skills most people have.

I think some testing needs to be done in evade again :/
Frankenberry

[Traf Rellik]

I think the only way to really fix it is to give the ava's an artificial life expectancy.

Would that work? No. But it would allow MA to deal with the issue of skill nerfs and pre-gold uber items. The issues created involves cash flow issues and rapid inflation. So it would be more fair, but hurt us all in the end as many players would simply leave or sell out to secret "second avas" to avoid an even bigger loss.

This is why it will never happen. Fairness isn't as important as the stability of the company's revenue. So although it would bring equilibrium back to the skill system, it would cost us ALL too much. It's far easier to allow the people that were advantaged by the early skill gains to continue to reap the benefits.

One thing to remember is that EU is dynamic (if you didn't hate this post already, that should do it ). In this context, the key is that at some time the system changed from supporting short term goals with longer term goals. I'm not talking about ava's goals, here, but MA's. To make a balanced system they NEEDED to gear up some ava's quickly, as the system wouldn't work as well if everyone was at the lower levels. As more people came in, they needed to reduce the "advantage" so the population remains balanced.

Now it looks like they are doing everything they can to encourage the entire middle tier to leave, nerfing the story lines and "prettying" everything into what I would call a "love boat universe (tm)." No more adventure, no more exploration, just lots of makeup, color, and texture extractors.

It doesn't have to be this way! Bring the story lines back! I didn't want to come right out and say this on the forum but here goes: I want the bots to evolve. I want them to look like us and infiltrate the cities. I want them to give us a reason to put the make-up down and pick up our weapons again.

Note: the city invasion concept is something that would work for all player levels in a similar fashion to the beacon runs. A disguised bot walks into the city to disable the defenses (at any TT terminal). The alarm goes off when they begin hacking it. We have a short time to find/kill the bot or it disables the cities defenses. The bots and controlled mobs would invade the city in droves if the defenses are breached. If the bot is found and killed before it disables the defenses, the bots and mobs would still attempt an invasion but be mostly wiped out. The bot would appear like any ava until scanned (at decreased chance of success), and then turn into a red dot/loose it's disguise.

MA: is THAT why we lost our facial expressions? To make it harder to tell US from THEM?!? Or was that why we have makeup now, to allow us to look MORE like them?!?

[Bloodbone]

Originally Posted by Traf Rellik

I think the only way to really fix it is to give the ava's an artificial life expectancy.

Would that work? No. But it would allow MA to deal with the issue of skill nerfs and pre-gold uber items. The issues created involves cash flow issues and rapid inflation. So it would be more fair, but hurt us all in the end as many players would simply leave or sell out to secret "second avas" to avoid an even bigger loss.

This is why it will never happen. Fairness isn't as important as the stability of the company's revenue. So although it would bring equilibrium back to the skill system, it would cost us ALL too much. It's far easier to allow the people that were advantaged by the early skill gains to continue to reap the benefits.

One thing to remember is that EU is dynamic (if you didn't hate this post already, that should do it ). In this context, the key is that at some time the system changed from supporting short term goals with longer term goals. I'm not talking about ava's goals, here, but MA's. To make a balanced system they NEEDED to gear up some ava's quickly, as the system wouldn't work as well if everyone was at the lower levels. As more people came in, they needed to reduce the "advantage" so the population remains balanced.

Now it looks like they are doing everything they can to encourage the entire middle tier to leave, nerfing the story lines and "prettying" everything into what I would call a "love boat universe (tm)." No more adventure, no more exploration, just lots of makeup, color, and texture extractors.

It doesn't have to be this way! Bring the story lines back! I didn't want to come right out and say this on the forum but here goes: I want the bots to evolve. I want them to look like us and infiltrate the cities. I want them to give us a reason to put the make-up down and pick up our weapons again.

Note: the city invasion concept is something that would work for all player levels in a similar fashion to the beacon runs. A disguised bot walks into the city to disable the defenses (at any TT terminal). The alarm goes off when they begin hacking it. We have a short time to find/kill the bot or it disables the cities defenses. The bots and controlled mobs would invade the city in droves if the defenses are breached. If the bot is found and killed before it disables the defenses, the bots and mobs would still attempt an invasion but be mostly wiped out. The bot would appear like any ava until scanned (at decreased chance of success), and then turn into a red dot/loose it's disguise.

MA: is THAT why we lost our facial expressions? To make it harder to tell US from THEM?!? Or was that why we have makeup now, to allow us to look MORE like them?!?

Loving it! If you do not work for MA, why aren't they hiring you as writer / advisor?

I agree and fully accept your explanation regarding economical and financial adjustments. I think my point is more to the fact that they WAY over did it this time. If I drop from being able to take on an Ambulimax solo with no armour to something less... so be it. But Young Exarosaur and Combibo kicking my arse... PLS. I have 230-240 k skills total. How can any NEW player with interest in the game EVER hope to aspire is my question... not just my personally felt dilemma.

OK, so just to keep it real, I always like to self-check. I just logged and went to sweat a Young Combibo, all alone with no help, lol. I have 171 HP, 4954 Avoidance and 5372 Evade. This is not to brag, so pls do not take it that way, it is to give perspective. In 2 minutes from loging, I am 50% HP doing nothing. MA... WTF pls?

[Traf Rellik]

Thanks, and yes, I concur that the nerfs are excessively painful. I used to be able to do what you mentioned, take on an atrax naked with longsword in hand. I have scaled it back a LOT.

The decision to make is whether you are willing to scale back enough and still enjoy the game. MA will encourage most to stay in, BUT NOT ALL. I posted another long explanation of why somewhere else, so I won't rehash it.

Meanwhile, some of the changes actually DO help. The economy of a set of pixie + 2a (or Ghost + 5B) is better now than before. The result is that you may want to reconsider sweating with armor (generally a bad idea, but not as bad as before). BTW, I only have 54K skills, and I rarely hunt the big mobs anymore (I target the skill gains on specific mob/weapon combinations), and I relearned how to enjoy the small game (and rarer globals).

Good luck, and enjoy.

[kygon]

Originally Posted by Bloodbone

Loving it! If you do not work for MA, why aren't they hiring you as writer / advisor?

btw not everyone who enjoys EU is a fucking MA employee & some people can adjust to change.

Originally Posted by Bloodbone

If I drop from being able to take on an Ambulimax solo with no armour to something less... so be it. But Young Exarosaur and Combibo kicking my arse... PLS. I have 230-240 k skills total. H

if you have 240k skills then and exa and comb are kicking your arse I have no idea what to say to that other than WFT

Ive not my my asskicked by noob mobs since week 1 lol

Originally Posted by Bloodbone

how can any NEW player with interest in the game

new players can aspire to do things more economically and less investment amount that I ever could, L shit like it or not allows low skilled new players access to econ/dmg per sec/protection that was only possible with e.g 10k lwt/rilfe

someone can come in buy some decent L weps , armour and has no massive £10k startup fee like 'back in the day' lol

so its harder to gain skills but at the same time you actually need them MUCH less than before

yup skill nerfs suck ass no argument there, and yes the robbed feeling sucks donkey balls BUT in I feel Im lucky to have gained the I have already got

[Ast]

Originally Posted by Bloodbone

bla bla bla
I have 230-240 k skills total.
bla bla bla
Get my ass kicked by exo's
bla bla bla

Maybe you forgot to chip another skill?

[Bloodbone]

Originally Posted by kygon

btw not everyone who enjoys EU is a fucking MA employee & some people can adjust to change.



if you have 240k skills then and exa and comb are kicking your arse I have no idea what to say to that other than WFT

Ive not my my asskicked by noob mobs since week 1 lol



new players can aspire to do things more economically and less investment amount that I ever could, L shit like it or not allows low skilled new players access to econ/dmg per sec/protection that was only possible with e.g 10k lwt/rilfe

someone can come in buy some decent L weps , armour and has no massive £10k startup fee like 'back in the day' lol

so its harder to gain skills but at the same time you actually need them MUCH less than before

yup skill nerfs suck ass no argument there, and yes the robbed feeling sucks donkey balls BUT in I feel Im lucky to have gained the I have already got

Well at least we hae a conversation now, lol. Agreed on many points and that was the point of this thread I guess... Nerf sucks and not pleased. I don't work for MA either

[Bloodbone]

Originally Posted by Ast

Maybe you forgot to chip another skill?

Well then pls share with us noobs, which skill have I forgotten????

[Ast]

Originally Posted by Bloodbone

Well then pls share with us noobs, which skill have I forgotten????

Well it's actually an attribute so you can't chip it... you just seem to miss a lot of intelligence.