profit on skills (proven)

[Level]

Originally Posted by BlackHawk

Profit from skills is important, because if you lose peds hunting, you can sell some of your skills and hunt again. from my experience, in worst case scenario, I never lose hunting more than I can get from selling some skills. I mean, if I lose 10k hunting, it means I have 20k in skill value. If I sell 10k ped worth of skills, I still have 10k ped worth of skills gained natural, so it is a progression all the time. Even after chipping out 10k ped of skills, I have more skills than when I started, so I am more eco, so the next time I make 40k worth of skills before I lose my money and I can start all over again. For this reason, I think is very important to cont skills to when counting hunting results.
Not to mention that skilling natural you get expensive skills you don't need to sell and are to expensive to buy.

its great system but only works with High-End Guns and High skills.
Commando, Wounding, Coolnes, Combat Sense ARE NOT CHEAP skills so they help

Commando 25k% !!! thats alot
Wounding 2k% ?
Coolness 6.5k% thats alot
Combat Sense 2.2k%?

I think I must now think...seriously think about my next steps I will do in Entropia Universe

[CAC]

Originally Posted by aridash

i think an important point to highlight is that Blackhawk claims to earn the amounts stated in skills. but one has to sell them to actually realise that profit. i personally dont count skills as i go along, since i need them to progress and therefore more likly to buy skills than to sell. i think many count the skills value in order to present to themselves a "cash out" value of their avatar. 10 hours a day is working as far as i can see, and while its a bit cool(? or nerdy?) to be a professional gamer, i think most educated people could earn far more irl for those same hours.

and, equally cynical, i assume you chipped into coolness?

The coolness in a day thing was a joke at the way BH said he'd go from lvl 78.9 damage to lvl100 in a few weeks.

I earned coolness when I had it, slowly getting there again

[Level]

Originally Posted by CAC

The coolness in a day thing was a joke at the way BH said he'd go from lvl 78.9 damage to lvl100 in a few weeks.

I earned coolness when I had it, slowly getting there again

BH said he will reach in 27 weeks
27 weeks...10hours each day... 27x7x10 = 1890 hours

1 hour = 5142 shoots with mod merc = 802 ped decay/ammo WITHOUT amp

1890 x 802 = 1 515 780 peds

you need to compare? SURE :
1 515 780 peds to burn with p5a (L) = 663 Breer P5a (L) to burn

1 P5a is 22944 shoots...reload 1.2 sec, so:
663 x 22944 = 15 211 872 shoots total
15 211 872 x 1.2 sec = 18 254 246 sec = 5070 hours
Considering you will hunt 10 hours each day with p5a (you must be fetish!)
it will take you 72 weeks

BUT, most ppl hunt 2-3 hours daily ... so for them its 360 weeks !!
THATS WHY YOU CANT BELIEVE BA!!! NOOBS! and for you...for you it will take TEN years!

FEEL THE POWER OF I HAVE NO LIFE...I SPEND 10HOURS EVERYDAY IN ENTROPIA if you dont do this...you will after next 5 years say:
wow...kill strike..i will never reach that! blame you MA!

so HE WILL reach 100lvl in 27 weeks

[CAC]

Originally Posted by Level

BH said he will reach in 27 weeks
27 weeks...10hours each day... 27x7x10 = 1890 hours

1 hour = 5142 shoots with mod merc = 802 ped decay/ammo WITHOUT amp

1890 x 802 = 1 515 780 peds

you need to compare? SURE :
1 515 780 peds to burn with p5a (L) = 663 Breer P5a (L) to burn

1 P5a is 22944 shoots...reload 1.2 sec, so:
663 x 22944 = 15 211 872 shoots total
15 211 872 x 1.2 sec = 18 254 246 sec = 5070 hours
Considering you will hunt 10 hours each day with p5a (you must be fetish!)
it will take you 72 weeks

BUT, most ppl hunt 2-3 hours daily ... so for them its 360 weeks !!
THATS WHY YOU CANT BELIEVE BA!!! NOOBS! and for you...for you it will take TEN years!

FEEL THE POWER OF I HAVE NO LIFE...I SPEND 10HOURS EVERYDAY IN ENTROPIA if you dont do this...you will after next 5 years say:
wow...kill strike..i will never reach that! blame you MA!

so HE WILL reach 100lvl in 27 weeks

Whilst I appreciate the indicative maths you've done, the only way you can achive what you have written is if BH competed in a 27 week merry mayhem (or whatever it was called)

It is impossible to constantly fire at that rate like it is pretty much impossible to fire at the max rate of a mod merc without wasting your ammo with misses.

+ you forgot to include pi$$ breaks in there

[tedt]

Without armor, without having to FAP, hunting exarosaurs with a unlimited UL2. You will still lose money

Does this proof that whatever gear you use, you will lose? Unless u know what to hunt these days of course

[Level]

Originally Posted by tedt

Without armor, without having to FAP, hunting exarosaurs with a unlimited UL2. You will still lose money

Does this proof that whatever gear you use, you will lose? Unless u know what to hunt these days of course

are you serious ?! w00t
If thats true...EU doesnt makes sense for me now...I dont see myself in the future ingame doing something more than trading and gathering peds.

I am shocked now

[Doer]

On my worst hunts, i typically gain enough skills to cover about half the losses if i chose to sell those skills.

I don't have Commando or Kill Strike unlocked, though.

[jdegre]

i've had runs where the value of my skill gains don't even make it for 25% of the total loss. and i mean runs of around 400-500 peds, which is not a huge run but not a 10 minute hunt either.
i have wounding, avoidance, etc.. and very close to combat sense.

there are times where you don't manage to get more loot than 40%-50% return in tt, and this is very very hard to compensate in skill gains. in the past, these returns were only typical from huge mobs, but today, you can get it from almost every mob.

[tedt]

Originally Posted by Level

are you serious ?! w00t
If thats true...EU doesnt makes sense for me now...I dont see myself in the future ingame doing something more than trading and gathering peds.

I am shocked now

Oh yes I'm very serious, even with an unlimited UL2 and no armor and FAP on exarosaurs u will still LOSE! And I did not just do 1 hunt, i did this for 3 or 4 weeks in a row a couple of months ago now.

It is gambling and it will always be, all you can do is adjust your payouts. But a casino will be mad to give you a payout above 100% You will lose a lot less on some Internet Casinos or big gambling places like Vegas, those place have a lot of competition and so the payouts will be higher. Usually around 95%-98% and not 60%-70% average like in EU.
So what I'm trying to say is you will lose less money in an actual casino with whatever gear u're gonna use !

[Igorl]

Skills are not to be considered as too long term investment.

They are the comodity in EU that is only building up. Take for example:

An uber with 15k skills (all combat for example) - that is 8k PED in TT each

He can supply the market of following skills:

1) Rifle - ~28 days
2) Hand gun - ~20 days
3) MMS - ~40 days
4) Evade - ~4 mths
5) Dodge - indefinite (EU liftime sales = 3.5k ped)
6) Weap handling - 2.5 mths

And so on and so forth.

What does this mean (if someone is slow today)
Someone with 15k skills in (for example) RIFLE can supply the current market for 28 days ALONE - provided NOONE ELSE sells rifle skill at that moment.

Got it?
Dont ask me where did I get the info - just open one skillchip and look at history

I.