Is Computer a useless skill?

[wizzszz]

Originally Posted by Doer

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I will see if i can pull out enough tantillion run data before and after Combat Sense to verify your results. If I had them from before and after MMS it would be a lot more useful, though.

Wouldn't it be easier to have someone who has robotology unlocked repeat the scanning experiment and compare the data to yours?

Maybe this way rumours about higher INT giving more skills could be confirmed/falsified, too.

[PrinceYumil]

Originally Posted by wizzszz

Well, a soc mate finds oil on a regular basis, where i find devils tail and henren stems instead (better finders only increase the odds to find them), dropped quite some K probes in that area, so i can definitely say oil replaces stuff you can't find at a certain level.

So yes, other skills do have a meaning, not sure if it's the surveyor pro standing (which isn't much higher), or some of the other skills (i'm mostly an ore miner, so might be the way higher geo/cga as well)

You find those things because you have maxed and can use a better finder. You did this by increasing your Surveyor professional level. It's not Skills --> find rare stuff, it's Skills ---> pro level ---> better finder ---> find rare stuff.

[wizzszz]

Originally Posted by PrinceYumil

You find those things because you have maxed and can use a better finder. You did this by increasing your Surveyor professional level. It's not Skills --> find rare stuff, it's Skills ---> pro level ---> better finder ---> find rare stuff.

No, same finder.

And i'm sure that i won't find any oil there, even if i use the TT finder only.

I'm not a mining noob, close to mineral sense now (without chipping), and i guess i know a bit how it works

I have certain places i found lyst before (maxed 105), and now it is dianium, langotz, platinum and gold (same finder), and not a single lyst claim in several K bombs.

That makes me pretty sure you "unlock" certain ores/enmatters, the same way you unlock i.e. colors, once you reach the level needed you'll find rare ores, before the "unlock" you find lyst/oil as a substitute. The finders just increase the chances to hit a "rare" ore.

So your "way" is certainly wrong, or take the finder out of the equation.

/Edit:
Oh, and others have stated that almost every ore can be found with the TT finder when your skills are high enough, same goes for the "substitute" thingie, can't find the post though.

[Droid]

Originally Posted by wizzszz

That makes me pretty sure you "unlock" certain ores/enmatters, the same way you unlock i.e. colors, once you reach the level needed you'll find rare ores, before the "unlock" you find lyst/oil as a substitute. The finders just increase the chances to hit a "rare" ore.

I totally agree with this. I also experience the same as wizzszz. U "unlock" new ores with better skills, I have noticed this several times when I reach a new rank/lvl in skills, I start to find "new/rares" ores/matters in areas I mined earlier!

So yes, skills unlock ores/matters, same as skills unlock color or your ability to use better weapons.

/Droid

[Immortal]

Originally Posted by wizzszz

Whoah, are you kidding?
As for the skill contributions, the percentages there were taken from jimmy B. thread here, i've updated them myself and maintain quite a few pages there along with many others at least once a week, you better back this up or STFU!

Gladly.
1. Yumil was qualifying his viewpoint on the fact it 'came from entropedia', which is why I only quoted that portion. Saying "something comes from entropedia" does not in anyway mean the viewpoint is valid. This does not imply the data is wrong, it was to dissolve the blind assumption that if(entropedia_says_statement_quoted=1, "God's TRuth", <opinion>). If i had quoted more of his paragraph, it would have. That's why I didn't. The professions data obviously is almost R^2=1, barring mindforce and the newer professions. This is the good stuff and my response was not intended to detract from this (hell i use skill scanner weekly, i should hope that data were R^2=1).

2. Though a skill contributes to professions in various percentages, this DOES NOT mean that you gain that skill at that % rate while performing that profession. Extensive skill logging would be the only way to show 'action X increase skill Y @ (rate Z)*function_proportional_to_ped_input".

Anyone who disagrees with point 2 can you please explain to me how i spammed 6 agility gains in a row, with no skills in between (raised ~0.2 of a point, 60+ agi at the time)

Ps please excuse my very geeky/arrogant use of the term R^2=1. It's late. :p

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Immortal

Anyone who disagrees with point 2 can you please explain to me how i spammed 6 agility gains in a row, with no skills in between (raised ~0.2 of a point, 60+ agi at the time)

If you roll a dice 5 times and get a 1 each time, does that mean there isn't a 1 in 6 chance of getting a 1?

All you've demonstrated with this example is that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics.

[Xen]

Originally Posted by Immortal

2. Though a skill contributes to professions in various percentages, this DOES NOT mean that you gain that skill at that % rate while performing that profession. Extensive skill logging would be the only way to show 'action X increase skill Y @ (rate Z)*function_proportional_to_ped_input".

Anyone who disagrees with point 2 can you please explain to me how i spammed 6 agility gains in a row, with no skills in between (raised ~0.2 of a point, 60+ agi at the time)

Ps please excuse my very geeky/arrogant use of the term R^2=1. It's late. :p

Easy. Say for every defense skill gain check you have a 10% chance of gaining agility. That doesn't mean you will gain agility exactly every 10th skill gain check. You could gain a few in a row. When you flip a coin you could get 5 "heads" in a row, but in the long run you will get it 50% of the time.

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Immortal

2. Though a skill contributes to professions in various percentages, this DOES NOT mean that you gain that skill at that % rate while performing that profession. Extensive skill logging would be the only way to show 'action X increase skill Y @ (rate Z)*function_proportional_to_ped_input".

That's basically what i found when i did the scanning a while back, the thread someone linked to earlier. Based on those results, logic, and what Wizzszzszssssssz said, we have a pretty good understanding that skill gains work this way:

1. A certain volume of skill per PED professional activity is potentially gained
2. Skills that are unlocked are gained at the probability that they contribute to the profession (ie. volume of skill is the same % of total volume gained as the skills contribution % to profession)
3. Locked skills are ignored, thus losing that percentage of the potential skill volume gain while performing the profession

Incidentally, that is a partial reason why very skilled hunters seem to get more value in skills in a given hunt.

[PrinceYumil]

So, would Extraction be in the same boat as computer? Does anyone actually buy extraction chips? Wizszzz I was unaware that you could "unlock" certain ores from getting a certain pro level (I assume its pro level and not an individual skill), and I'm glad I made this thread or I never would have found out. However with regard to mining there doesn't seem to be anything to gain by having a higher pro level, so it seems like extraction, Miner, and Drilling expertise are all useless skills as they don't give health.

[kingjoe1974]

Well, here we go again with the skills, HMM this is a virtual game so in reality the game is worthless. but in Virtual world the skills are all important, to what ever degree. I cant think for one minute that Mind Ark just made a bunch of worthless skills, However I can think that they made some skills that are less important than others.

But who am I to disagree with MA.