Weird observation: SIB vs. no-SIB

[Sodiak]

SIB wont give you more skillgains. It does however give more skill when you get a skillgain.

[soothsayer]

Originally Posted by Trina Xenophage

Sib

Suckered

Into

Buying

I did one ages ago where i actually recored skills not whether you get green skill gain text. using a limited gun (with SIB) vs mkII justifier on a 100 ped hunt on each gun.. I gained more skills on the MKII.

the true test in on the numeber of skils gains not how often the green text appears even though its nice too see it appear often..

will have too do a full test..

1st test
if green skill text appears = points added
if no green skill text appears = points added or no points

test 2
100 ped ammo on MKII
100 ped ammo on LR48 (matches current SID levels)


will see if i can do this tonight after work..

[maxwellhawk]

I know for a fact that you get skill gains without showing a green message - the green message just reflects that you got a skill gain over a certain level

[LeeLoo Faith]

Originally Posted by Biizle

Here's another interpretation that most people don't agree with :
SIB means that using this item increases the effect of your current skills, i.e. you can use this item as if you had higher skills than you actually do. Backside is that the higher skills you have the less you gain. So by using a SIB tool you boost your skills effectiveness but you also gain less skills.

Go non-SIB 100% if you want to skill.
Go (maxed) SIB if you want to be eco.

That means SIB is working like a Scope or Laser

But I have to agree that this is best interpretation I have heard.

[Miller]

Originally Posted by Borr

My assumption is that you can use a tool/weapon as if you had higher skills, in my opinion it's an eco booster that's why i start using SIB tools after i have maxed them. But this is only speculation.

Same here. Before SIB stuff existed you basically needed level 100 to max anything, now with SIB stuff you can max something with lower skills. As such you're relative skill level is increased on that weapon, a "skill increase bonus". That is a true observation but effects on skill gains are largely speculation because there are almost certainly unknown factors that affect skilling.

The clearest example of that I've seen lately was when I was having a hunt with my disciple to try and get her last few points in Rifle to graduate. We both used the same gun and were shooting the same amount all the time. Over the course of the hunt she only gained one skill point but I gained somewhere around 5-7, despite the fact that I had twice the amount of Rifle skill that she did.

It does seem that "low level" SIB guns stop giving as many skills as ones better suited to your level. I'm around 5k HG and on a 300 ped hunt I'll get a lot more skills with an HL11 than with a P5

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Witte

There is no evidence, but it is likely that skillgain is tied to either total cost or total heal (or a combination). It would be interesting to know the skillgains of a mobfap compared to an ek2600 (or similar).

Paramedic skill gains are correlated much more closely with PEDs decay than number of uses or HP healed. I think it's weighted that way much more heavily than combat, but that's a hard comparison to make.

[McCormick]

Originally Posted by Borr

Another thing, a green line means a skill increase. It does not mention how big the skill increase is, but it will fall in a range. Theoretically it could be that a T20 gain was bigger then a fap80 gain.

Feel free to have a look at the "advanced skill system" that MA sees while playing :

Advanced Skill System (Internal) ?

[DocKangey]

Originally Posted by Doer

Paramedic skill gains are correlated much more closely with PEDs decay than number of uses or HP healed. I think it's weighted that way much more heavily than combat, but that's a hard comparison to make.

This is exactly what I am trying to find out in an experiment.

I will use several Vivo T20s (where I am in the lerning period), Hedok SK-20 (maxed L-Item), FAP50 and FAP80. As a reference I will take the T20, measure how much heals I get out of each, how much HPs I heal, the decay as well as each skill gain. I will record my skills / prof standing before and after.

I will repeat the same usage pattern with the SK-20, FAP50, FAP80 (maybe with the 2550 if I feel rich ) - meaning, I will do the same amount of heals, of HPs and of PEDs decay and also measure Skills before and after.

I will try to make multiple runs and then compare the data.

at least then I think I'll be able to tell if SIB learning period does anything at my skill level.

[Doer]

Originally Posted by DocKangey

This is exactly what I am trying to find out in an experiment.

I will use several Vivo T20s (where I am in the lerning period), Hedok SK-20 (maxed L-Item), FAP50 and FAP80. As a reference I will take the T20, measure how much heals I get out of each, how much HPs I heal, the decay as well as each skill gain. I will record my skills / prof standing before and after.

I will repeat the same usage pattern with the SK-20, FAP50, FAP80 (maybe with the 2550 if I feel rich ) - meaning, I will do the same amount of heals, of HPs and of PEDs decay and also measure Skills before and after.

I will try to make multiple runs and then compare the data.

at least then I think I'll be able to tell if SIB learning period does anything at my skill level.

I can give you an approximate amount of paramedic skill volume/uses and /decay with imp FAP. I figured that out for a similar inquiry thread a while ago but i will just pull it out of my skill data. If you can find that thread, i think there were some results for other FAPs, too.

[Borr]

Originally Posted by McCormick

Feel free to have a look at the "advanced skill system" that MA sees while playing :

Advanced Skill System (Internal) ?

Ah yes, that was the picture i had in mind when i made the post. Thanks for bringing it up.