Defense Skills; OR, everything you ever wanted to know about Evade but were too lazy to search for

[SirFluidHat]

yo

Ill give you some stats to calculate.

A lvl 5 Evader and a lvl 22 Evader, evading vs a Cournanterion young.

Attacks: 50.

lvl 5 Evader gets hit 44 times.
lvl 22 Evader gets hit 27 times.

I hope this helps your work

[Pretender]

Originally Posted by SirFluidHat

yo

Ill give you some stats to calculate.

A lvl 5 Evader and a lvl 22 Evader, evading vs a Cournanterion young.

Attacks: 50.

lvl 5 Evader gets hit 44 times.
lvl 22 Evader gets hit 27 times.

I hope this helps your work

well, it would be required to do some more tests to see the average result, but, if it is like that, then, DAMN, i can see the price on evade related chips going sky high

[Doer]

Originally Posted by SirFluidHat

yo

Ill give you some stats to calculate.

A lvl 5 Evader and a lvl 22 Evader, evading vs a Cournanterion young.

Attacks: 50.

lvl 5 Evader gets hit 44 times.
lvl 22 Evader gets hit 27 times.

I hope this helps your work

Thanks SirFluidHat

The real problem is that there's a pretty large variation over a few minutes; i had one outlier in each of my 5+ data collected. So, in order for this to be meaningful we'd need a few repetitions of each. Is this from one test or multiple?

In any case i plugged your numbers from a pretty high level mob into the logarithmic fit equation (y = -0.0998 ln (evader) + 0.8728) for the low level mob:

Level Evader   5   22
Fit value %   71   56
Your hit %    88   54

We really need one more data point here but you can see that while the level 22 Evader numbers fit surprisingly well, the level 5 is off. Whether that's due to a shift in the curve as Steffel described, a poor equation fit, or statistical impropriety is impossible for me to say, anyway (IANAS). If i ever find a reason to go to CND again i'll do a few trials myself and then we'll have a level 28 data point, too.

I will possibly at some point ask for volunteers to come get hit by hogglo while i fap to test this but right now i'd rather play than spend another evening doing tests. The real challenge is finding someone with a significantly higher level Evader professional standing who is willing to participate.

[Jimmy B]

Very good, informative thread Doer.

The shape of the evade effectiveness vs evader pro level graph is quite interesting, and quite comforting for those of us who will never unlock stuff like quickness & intuition (unless medical science makes giant leaps forwards in longevity treatments over the next few decades) that progressing up to level 20,25,30 is quite worthwhile.

It all sounds about right to me going by my own experiences. I certainly get hit noticeably less than I used to by mobs like feffs and corns (the only two mobs I hunted this time last year I can think of that I still hunt occasionally). Having had recent experiences of getting myself and my fap mauled to death by fast attacking mobs like little-cornoanterion and middle-aurli which are not doing me huge amounts of damage but are hitting me with scary regularity, it'd be interesting to find out if as suggested by SirFluidHat the graph looks similar for big mobs (ie. they just hit more in general, evade still works the same) or whether a higher level of evade is required for them as suggested by Steffel.

[Witte]

Nice article. If you dont mind ill add it to wiki too.

[Pretender]

Originally Posted by Doer

I will possibly at some point ask for volunteers to come get hit by hogglo while i fap to test this but right now i'd rather play than spend another evening doing tests. The real challenge is finding someone with a significantly higher level Evader professional standing who is willing to participate.

try getting starman out there...i think he qualifies...or skalman...vixen....stryker...*(some other hunter)

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Pretender

try getting starman out there...i think he qualifies...or skalman...vixen....stryker...*(some other hunter)

You put the emphasis in the wrong place of that quote, though. I would want volunteers, and typically uber players are busy off doing their own uber things, understandably enough, and i don't want to ask. When someone qualified has sufficient interest in the topic to volunteer his time we might procede.

Thanks Jimmy for your comments, and Witte you are welcome to.

[Pretender]

Originally Posted by Doer

You put the emphasis in the wrong place of that quote, though. I would want volunteers, and typically uber players are busy off doing their own uber things, understandably enough, and i don't want to ask. When someone qualified has sufficient interest in the topic to volunteer his time we might procede.

Thanks Jimmy for your comments, and Witte you are welcome to.

no dare no gain


however, i think the research you are doing is very important, and you help alot of people out, i think.

[Doer]

I fapped some people on globster the other day and as far as i could tell globsters never missed them (it kept me damn busy fapping, that's for sure. ). It would be very useful to know if someone has a high enough Evader level to successfully evade globster attacks. Please PM me or post your results here if you fall in that category, or if you have over level 30 Evader and are willing to do a few tests.

Also, a bump for visibility.

[Doer]

I took advantage of testing caperon damage today for another thread to gather some data for a high level mob evader efficacy comparison. I collected it from a caperon young, one of very few i could find in the herd, which i led back closer to the tp to facilitate the tests. Between the second and third avatar test another player showed up and i asked him to please not attack the caperon because i was performing evade tests. He hesitated and then began killing the mob, dying in the process i might add. He came back to finish off the caperon, and then PKed me (him in vigi and i wearing my shorts and a shirt) and ran off.

My friend Skippie, who was kind enough to agree to be a subject for the really boring test, helped me find another young and we did some tests, leading it back toward the revive a bit to speed up the process. About 2/3 of the way through the test our friend the neanderthal showed up again and did another RT kill of our young. Skippie had had enough, and frankly, i had, too.

This neanderthal character is called Cosmos, and i ask for an explanation and an apology from Cosmos' society, the GPS Hunters. The CEO is gps4prizes and Cosmos has apparently risen to Department Manager. AdjustedShadow is an employee. I would appreciate a PM from one of them regarding this behavior, and will remove this when that has been resolved.

As you can see, the data i collected is rather incomplete and will remain so until i get some resolution and the loathing for everything EU out of my system.

PS Thank you jaba and Skippie for your help.

Caperon young test data scaled and interposed on the logarithmic fit to the low mob data; there is either a shifted inflection point as suggested by Steffel, or (more likely) the data for Evader=21.8 (n=2) is insufficent due to external intervention