RFC: too good to be true? Shadow of Intention corporation

[Gluepot]

Originally Posted by Tevekar

You get employees, advertisement, and discounts.

Sounds like you're winning - and we are too, because we have acquired another business, and again - the resources of the corporation are being put to use.

Exactly why he said it sounds too good to be true

[eragon]

sorry Tev, i get that slimy *want to be away from you* feeling when i read your writing.

maybe your telling the truth but being secretive for some crazy reason. still dont see why you can own property and not be able to afford to at least buy some clothes for 20ped. i dunno... maybe Frankenstein syndrome

[EggRollOneDolla]

so just for fun...someone accept his 25ped offer.

See how "extensive" this network is.

Collect info on "the investors"

Collect info on "the properties"

Return to twin to receive your next task.

I think I can make a GTA game within EU!!!!!!!!!

[SpikE Odets]

Im not sure where to even start about the "Business" this person is claiming to run in game. I know a soc m8 has invested into a fund in game, and so far has nothing but goodthings to say about it, but when investing he wasn't asked to buy in first to hear all the wonderful thinks about the fund.


I hope that noone gets taken in by this guy but im sure a few will. Oh and on a side note Tev, just like you at first I figured it was just a waste of ped to purchase clothes, but as a trader don't you see the investment of purchasing a nice set of clothes, that most likey will go up in price later a good idea? For someone with a Masters Degree in Economics I would think you would see the market trend for looted clothes and jump right on it.

[Pr3d4t0r]

also look at his longevity, as in he came to the forum because of this thread, or so it appears.

Wouldn't it be a good idea (for his 'organisation') to post up a thread on the forums to get people interested if the business is genuine to begin with?

[Wody]

Personally, I would have no problem at all giving somebody whatever amount (if I have it, of course), if the guaranteed return on investment is say, 500% or another number. I mean, Suppose, I give them the asked 25 ped. 500% of that is 125 ped. And, it is guaranteed which means they can, in the same trade, give me the 125 ped return on investment. Right? So, if they gave me the 125 ped at the exact same time, in the same trade, why not, all trades are final.

[Ozi]

Anyone seen the movie "In Pursuit of Happyness" with Will Smith.

This guy reminds me of the scene when he is homeless and walks into the interview with the stockbrokers wearing his homeless bum gear.

This has all the hallmarks of a scheme to steal peds
No Reputation in EF
No Longevity
No personal investment in EU
No clarity of business plan
No skills in game
Shady wording of the offer
Massive return on investment without a solid basis (500% wtf, and in what time frame, 500% in 20 years is f@#k all inflationary adjusted).

And we all know how hard it is to make a profit in EU, so how does this guy think he can do it.

My wife and I both have Masters Degree's and that doesn't make us geniuses of Entropian business lol

[alh]

He might have a Masters in Economics, but he is at best extremely naive over how online economies with anonymity works in general, and on EU in particular, and at worst he is a smoothtalking scammer.

Neither is anyone you want to do business with...

Noone can be expected to be taken seriously if they are totally unknown and walk up to someone and ask them for ped in the first conversation.

And when they start to talk about confidentiality and secrets when you start asking about details, then it gets just silly...

[Missa]

This could be a good business opportunity, but because you have no reputation or investment in EU that we can see, then it is very difficult to trust you. Trust in EU can't be based on personality as we all converse over the internet, therefore it usually has to be based on things like skills, length of time that you know someone, professional standing in game, investment in game, etc.

Sure, its only $2.50 that you're asking for. But you will be hard pressed to find someone in EU that will trust a person that has only just started in the game and hasn't got the skill base to have gained a "solid" understanding of the game. Not sure that anyone will ever have a solid understanding of EU... but you all know what I mean lol!!

There are many players that have Masters degrees in this game... I have one too, but there are guys in the forum (JimmyB, Jdegre, etc) that just amaze me with their knowledge and are much more intelligent in gaming and business than me. If one of them asked for $2.50 I would hand it over in a heartbeat because they have earned the community's respect and trust.

I would recommend that you play the game a bit more and try to network without the sales pitch for a bit. Try and learn more about the game. Unfortunately, many people have been scammed or have heard about someone they know being scammed... so I think it will be very hard for you to get this business off the ground with only 2 posts on EF and not much longevity in game.

I wish you well with it though, as it does sound like a great idea and I do like to see people trying to be entrepreneurial in EU.

Cheers,
Missa

[Tevekar]

Alright. If you want more information, I'll post some now.

First of all - I'd like to clear up the fact that I do have clothes. I don't know when the last time any of you have seen me in game before, but I do indeed have a nice outfit.

I'll start off by addressing the misconceptions found throughout this thread.

Rayne Jade: I didn't simply approach him out of no where. His associate was advertising for him at Camp Phoenix, so I figured I would speak with Ido regarding his business. I didn't just walk up to him out of no where. As your said in your post, "If this person approached YOU and asked YOU to join, there is no need to pay him." - I agree with you, you are correct. So, if you believe that theory - then do not pay. Sounds simple to me.

Dargonstar: Yes, this is true. We did obtain several investors at a 500% ROI, and due to the fact that the ROI was so high, we placed a limit - no less than 25, no more than 1000, in the interests of security. Investors do not pay a buy-in. The buy-in is applicable to businesses joining the network.

If you're asking why the buy-in was so low - it's because we're trying to expand our network. By offering special benefits and low prices to the businesses that join, we expand our network. Later on, the deals for new businesses will change, for example - the buy in.

Outman: We have buyers and suppliers, we don't charge them to join. Ido owns a beauty shop - we were looking to add his corporation to the network. The buy-in simply reserves your spot in the network. Suppliers are offered bonuses - Ido is not a supplier. When you say that a degree is not required to trade in EU, you are absolutely correct. I never said that it is. I was simply delivering a bit of background information on the knowledge I have obtained.

Zan Zan: I don't wear "unrepaired OJs" - I have yet to figure out where this is coming from.

Venture: I say "some sort of a agreement" because it is different for each of the people in our corporation. I can't tell you a specific one because it's not the same as everyone else's agreement. The 25 PED, as stated above, is to reserve the spot in the network. It is currently very low because we are trying to expand the network profusely. You also said in your post, "...until he stops sounding like such a douchebag." The only douchebag here is you - you're making posts about a subject on which you have no information. Perhaps if you took the time to contact me, or read the thread in its entirety, you would not have made such accusations.

Jod: "There should be no harm in enquiring as to what sort of people he is associating his business and hard earned reputation with." I agree. But if an investor doesn't wish for his information to be thrown about, I must respect that. I answered all of his questions until he began taking up a very hostile, very threatening attitude. "Is it that the business sounds suspicious or is it that you gave so little information you cant form an opinion either way?" Good question - so until we figure that out, we shouldn't be posting in this thread with accusations about scamming, should we? By the way, I'm not saying you are accusing me - I'm speaking in a general sense. "When asked why you need it i would prefer to hear what its being used for and how it will help me..." He didn't ask what it was for. He implied I was scamming because it was such a low amount. I'm telling you now that if I was going to go through all of this trouble, I would sure as hell want more than 25 PED. "Yes and its also basic common business sense to know who you are dealing with." I insulted him because he insulted me. He wasted my time and attacked me personally throughout the conversation. I don't deal with people like that.

Gluepot: Read Jod's post, specifically near the end - the part you quoted in your post. You said, "Exactly why he said it sounds too good to be true." - Isn't that what happens in a business? Let's look at Google AdSense, for a moment.

With the Google AdSense endeavor - everyone wins. The advertisers get exposure for their business, and in turn give money to Google. Google hires publishers who place the advertisements on their websites. Google then divides the profit between the publisher and themselves. Through this method everyone wins. But, with your logic, since everyone gets something out of it - it must be a scam.

Eragon: "and not be able to afford to at least buy some clothes for 20ped." Again - I have no idea where this is coming from, but I do have clothes. My shirt has a V formation down the front, with the outside being blue, and the inside being a shade of gray. I also have pants, shoes, and a hat. Granted, it may not be extremely fancy - but it is clothing, and it isn't the basic newbie clothing. Also - it cost much more than 20 PED.

EggRollOneDolla: I see no purpose in you posting in this thread. You contributed nothing of value.

Spike Odets: "Oh and on a side note Tev, just like you at first I figured it was just a waste of ped to purchase clothes, but as a trader don't you see the investment of purchasing a nice set of clothes, that most likey will go up in price later a good idea?" I'm tired of repeating myself - but I do own clothing. Thanks.

Predator: "also look at his longevity, as in he came to the forum because of this thread, or so it appears." Not really. I came into this forum because someone was asking me, saying it would be a good idea to keep up on what's happening - seeing this thread was just sort of another reason to join. Also - I'm not big on forums. I own my own forums and dedicate my time to working on them, not posting on other ones. This is probably the only other forum you'll see me on besides my own. I apologize if that offends you.

Wody: Your post shows such a high level of ignorance, that it makes me want to just shake my head in disappointment. You clearly know nothing about investing. You don't hand money to a business, and take it right back at the ROI. Also - I clearly state in all transactions the period of time until the investor receives his/her money back.

Ozi: I also saw that movie. Will Smith did look terribly scrufty and awfully suspicious. But, he was an intelligent man and did offer a lot to his investors. End of story. "My wife and I both have Masters Degree's and that doesn't make us geniuses of Entropian business." I never said I was a genius of EU Business. I gave the information about my degree to provide background on my knowledge. I don't see why this offends you so deeply.

Alh: Please begin by actually reading the thread. Thank you.

There was another thing I wanted to address here:

No Reputation in EF - Oh, so I assume you had a full reputation and the respect of everyone straight from the beginning? A reputation takes time. When investors receive their funds back - they can tell others about it. That is how a reputation is formed - it isn't simply there.

No Longevity - I started this game when it was Project Entropia. Granted it was a long time ago, and relatively long ago I deleted my account because with school I didn't have time, but I was here a long while back. And longevity proves nothing about the security of a business.

No Personal Investment in EU - Please tell me how you would know something like this.

No clarity of business plan - Really? I have a several page business plan saved in my Documents folder right now.

No skills in game - Yes, with all that trading it's amazing my weaponry skills haven't sky rocketed.

Shady wording of the offer - Shady wording? Or protection for the security of our investors who wish to remain anonymous?

Massive return on investment without a solid basis (500% wtf, and in what time frame, 500% in 20 years is f@#k all inflationary adjusted). - This comment here is just trash - I have nothing to say back to it.

In my next post, you'll find out more about the business itself.