RFC: too good to be true? Shadow of Intention corporation

Ido · 07-06-2008, 00:15

Hello all,

I would like get a common consensus on the workings of the society/corporation "Shadow of Intention"

Today i have been approached by the society leader: Tevekar Tevekar Vekovar and asked if i would like to join their network of "small business"

He started out the conversation pointing out to the fact he has a Masters Degree in Economics and that he runs his corporation with a few partners. He said their focus of business is on i quote "we work primarily in the field of business- buying, selling, trading, etc - along side that we also do mining, driling, hunting and security/transportation" then he threw in that they are backed by a few investors also. and apperantly one of them recently invested 800 ped

He offered me the following benefits:
Free advertising on Ingame Screens
Highly qualified hand picked advertisors for my business (paid by the corp)
and Discounts on materials...

The fact his highest pro level was 2 and that he was wearing unrepaired newbie clothes and no shoes got me suspicious... and the use of words when listing the corp activities aswell (buying selling trading ... or .... mining and drilling) ... the fact that he asked me for 25 PED as a buy in didnt help either...

So to help ease my suspicion i asked to be introduced to the investors (surely they had a reason to put thrust in this person hopefully they could share those reasons with me) maybe i already knew them aswell then i wouldnt even need to talk to them...

As a response he told me he is bound to a confidentiality agrement and he could not reveal names to people not in the network... so basically what it ment is that in order to know their names i would have to give him the buy in 25 ped...

now 25 ped is not much but i dont like it when somone tries to play me for a fool and the offer on employees sounded to good to be true... and as i have learned 4 years ago

"...If something sounds too good to be true, most probably is"

he also said in time i will receive profit for being a member ...

I asked for some proof the whole deal wasnt a scam but his explanations were very vauge and he refused to give me any names or details...

He even accused my suspicon of being a competitions spy trying to snif out his business methods

He mentioned he had a few tailors an engineer hunting and mining teams and even a starting out hairdresser... whos name he refused to give me too...

he brought out an argument... this is only 25 ped .. if i would want to scam you i would have asked for 1000 ...

now what kind of argument is that??

I conversed with him for a while more but as he was reluctant to give me any information that could convince me that the things he was offering were in fact true... shoertly after we said our goodbyes

So now i would like to ask the oppinion of the community if they have any about this corporation and maybe locate any of the investors or partners or joined business he mentiond in the conversation...
... if his business was legitimate i feel bad that our conversation went so bad but the image he was portraying by his persona and the way he talked brought just one vision to my mind ... Trade accepted and person dissapears... its happend before to many of us .. to me too so maybe im too cautious .. maybe im "paranoid" like he called me ...

but i always triple check what exactly it is im getting for my money ... no matter what the ammount is...

Let me know if you know or have delt with this person... or what your thoughs are on all this...

Best Regards
Ido Sunrider

Johned · 07-06-2008, 00:17

There is a thread here about some sweat buy-in to a real estate deal. Sounded a bit strange. I will post a link if I can find it.

More than likely someone with good intentions in starting some type of business, but who knows where that will go.

Edit:

Here is is: FAO: Tevekar Vekovar

Vhailor · 07-06-2008, 00:22

aww im going for degree in economics in Winter.
Would surely have very lovely conversation with him.

But indeed it sounds somewhat fishy... . If it is not, then i guess i gotta wish him good luck

Rayne Jade · 07-06-2008, 00:47

If this person approached YOU and asked YOU to join, there is no need to pay him. In addition, if he has a group of investors and is seriously making an offer he would quickly agree to introduce you to these investors. After all, if this is all legit there is no reason for any secrecy. Just my opinion... I would have laughed... a lot.

Tevekar · 07-06-2008, 02:16

I don't see the problem here.

You're either interested in investing, and you do - or you are not interested in investing, and you do not.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I didn't scam you, I didn't hurt you in any way.

If my business sounds suspicious to you - then stay out of it. End of story. =]

Regarding the part about scamming in our conversation - why would I waste my time for a total of 25 PED? I don't see much sense in that.

Anyway - moving on. Not everyone likes their money business spread around the universe - and so the investors I have encountered so far requested to remain anonymous. If you have an issue with that - track them down and address it.

Several people have invested and received a large ROI through my corporation.

We have also acquired other small businesses - we help the company grow, and in return exercise the available resources of the corporation.

The suppliers get money because you agree to purchase from them.

The advertisers get paid by the corporation. And to work for us originally, they made some sort of agreement that is between them and us.

You get employees, advertisement, and discounts.

Sounds like you're winning - and we are too, because we have acquired another business, and again - the resources of the corporation are being put to use.

It's basic business - nothing too complicated, but I apologize that your high degree of paranoia and distrust resulted in you losing out.

dargonstar · 07-06-2008, 04:49

you know i find this very interesting as a member of your corp came to me today in new oxford talking about his but different he said that your corp promises a 500% back from the investment guaranteed and that the minimum investment is 100 ped and max at any investment input is 1000. and he mentioned nothing about a 25 ped buy in.
>.>

Outman · 07-06-2008, 05:09

First off if you need buyers, suppliers, ect. Then why the heck do you want them to pay you, if anything you should offer bonuses on sign up. It is like traders asking the customers for a fee. Profit off the customers not some shit 25 ped buy in. If your any good you could make well over 25 peds off clients like Ido, without needed some 25 ped fee. Also you don't need a degree in economics to do what your doing, trading in EU is not to hard tbh, and that is coming from someone without a degree. I agree in RL you need one, but in EU for trading I dout it even helps. Also if your running a business and you have a degree in economics shouldn't you hire someone with a business degree (assuming degrees matter)?

To sum it up no degree helps all that much in EU in my opion ( In real life HECK yes they help!!!). This is because EU is a very simply economy and you must merly know what the players and MA want. The EU economy is nothing like a real life economy because in EU MA has absolute power and can change item drop rates on a whim. Basically if anyone claims a degree gives them some huge edge, I would call bullshit. Simply learn the ways of a player and MA.

ZAN ZAN · 07-06-2008, 05:18

One thing stands out. For me, as a hard-core hunter, the whole idea of a "hunting team that works for some dude in unrepaired OJs" is pretty hilarious.

Venture · 07-06-2008, 05:47

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Originally Posted by Tevekar

I don't see the problem here.

You're either interested in investing, and you do - or you are not interested in investing, and you do not.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I didn't scam you, I didn't hurt you in any way.

If my business sounds suspicious to you - then stay out of it. End of story. =]

Regarding the part about scamming in our conversation - why would I waste my time for a total of 25 PED? I don't see much sense in that.

Anyway - moving on. Not everyone likes their money business spread around the universe - and so the investors I have encountered so far requested to remain anonymous. If you have an issue with that - track them down and address it.

Several people have invested and received a large ROI through my corporation.

We have also acquired other small businesses - we help the company grow, and in return exercise the available resources of the corporation.

The suppliers get money because you agree to purchase from them.

The advertisers get paid by the corporation. And to work for us originally, they made some sort of agreement that is between them and us.

You get employees, advertisement, and discounts.

Sounds like you're winning - and we are too, because we have acquired another business, and again - the resources of the corporation are being put to use.

It's basic business - nothing too complicated, but I apologize that your high degree of paranoia and distrust resulted in you losing out.

Wow, I personally cant get over how shady this dude sounds, even in his own posts on the forum. Like wow ......

"The advertisers get paid by the corporation. And to work for us originally, they made some sort of agreement that is between them and us."

It sure is bad when someone who is so smart with economics cant find a better term for their business practice than "some sort of a agreement." That SUUUUUUUURE dosnt sound fishy or suspicious to me, no sir.

Furthermore, if your society was so rich with investors why would you need my measly 25 peds? Sounds like this dude is running a pyramid scheme in entropia. Like those chain letters where you send 1 dollar to everyone on a list and they each send you 1 dollar back or some shit.

Anyways, I advise people not to deal with this person until everything is all figured out and he stops sounding like such a douchebag.

jod · 07-06-2008, 06:03

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Originally Posted by Tevekar

I don't see the problem here.

I do,Let me show you where....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tevekar

You're either interested in investing, and you do - or you are not interested in investing, and you do not.

Or you do a little bit of home work and find out who you are giving your money to.Seems the intelligent thing to do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tevekar

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I didn't scam you, I didn't hurt you in any way.

If my business sounds suspicious to you - then stay out of it. End of story. =]

But he could be missing out on a great opportunity and you could be missing a great business.There should be no harm in enquiring as to what sort of people he is associating his business and hard earned reputation with.

Is it that the business sounds suspicious or is it that you gave so little information you cant form an opinion either way?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tevekar

Regarding the part about scamming in our conversation - why would I waste my time for a total of 25 PED? I don't see much sense in that.

Now to be absolutely clear i am not accusing you of scamming but this kind of response is exactly what raises red flags in Entropia.
When asked why you need it i would prefer to hear what its being used for and how it will help me rather than "Hey if i was ripping you off I would have asked for more"

And lets face it 25ped is easier to get someone to hand over than 1000ped.Move on to the next person...rinse and repeat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tevekar

Anyway - moving on. Not everyone likes their money business spread around the universe - and so the investors I have encountered so far requested to remain anonymous. If you have an issue with that - track them down and address it.

I can understand that totally and thats exactly what this thread is doing.

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Originally Posted by Tevekar

Several people have invested and received a large ROI through my corporation.

This to me the raises biggest red flag.Big claims like this with nothing to back it up other than your words.
This to me is a classic scammers trick.....paint the big pretty picture then if the target questions you play on their compassion and act like you are hurt by being called a scammer then you play on their own self doubts by suggesting they are merely paranoid and over cautious.

I`m not suggesting this was your tactic here but showing you where the red flag is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tevekar

We have also acquired other small businesses - we help the company grow, and in return exercise the available resources of the corporation.

The advertisers get paid by the corporation. And to work for us originally, they made some sort of agreement that is between them and us.

You get employees, advertisement, and discounts.

Sounds like you're winning - and we are too, because we have acquired another business, and again - the resources of the corporation are being put to use.

This all sounds fair enough and is basic networking.No problems,why all the secrecy and evasiveness?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tevekar

It's basic business - nothing too complicated, but I apologize that your high degree of paranoia and distrust resulted in you losing out.

Yes and its also basic common business sense to know who you are dealing with.
Leaving people with a final insult when they try to follow these practices will probably not get you any further business.

Certainly not mine.