Sweat science Experiment

[steffel]

nice work. as for "heck why improve SG skill when it means nothing"...keep in mind there are no über SG's yet, so a possible effect of SG skill is minimal. maybe repeat the experiment in a year, maybe we have some players at 5k SG then, so it makes sense to compare them against SG noobs (1k SG)

[zark7]

Hi everyone,

Personally i think while this has been a great effort, there are too many variables unaccounted for, and too small sample sizes.

In my short PE experience so far I am level 2, with 250SG. When I started I was lucky to sweat 50/hr now I get closer to 250 - 300/hr. A portion of the improvement I put down to experience and using better techniques, but I definitely have less failed attempts than when I started.

I believe you have a probability of success based on experience, thus you can have good, bad and average sessions. Only with sample sizes >1000 in fixed sweating conditions could you achieve semi-accurate data. However, within that 1000 you are also improving which may further bias results.

Variables i think should be considered are: SG level and points, mob type, sweating teams, sweating experience of team members, armor, weapons, fap, location, density of mobs, mindforce skill levels, depositor/non-depositor.

For the most accurate results, someone with lots of time on their hands should create an avatar and record every attempt from scratch, and sweat the same place, the same time, the same mobs for the same period each day, without influence from other players. A very boring and tedious task, so I'll pass.

Thankyou Acronoid for a most interesting thread and experiment.

Just one final thing, has anyone else found that you sweat better in a team of less experienced sweaters? i.e. the players with the highest probability of getting the sweat have first take, and others share the left-overs thus getting less than they normally would?

Z7.

[Acronoid]

I agree that the sample size was very limited (not my fault btw), but it does already prove that DG skill does not worsen sweating, and may even improve the amount gathered. Although many more samples should be needed.

For that I hope some brave souls will post them here

I'm already happy knowing that I don't go downhill while sweating more.

[JohnCapital]

Originally Posted by steffel

nice work. as for "heck why improve SG skill when it means nothing"...keep in mind there are no über SG's yet, so a possible effect of SG skill is minimal. maybe repeat the experiment in a year, maybe we have some players at 5k SG then, so it makes sense to compare them against SG noobs (1k SG)

While I do agree that the SG skills sampled are generally low compared to other skills, keep in mind it's also the slowest skill you can increase. (concentrate, sweat, fail, try again, finally sweat and exp.) Case in point, there's some serious professional sweaters out there and still 1k is rare, and >1.5K is almost unheard of. 5k SG skill may almost be impossible to get.

EDIT:
I seem to remember another thread trying to find the highest SG skill and the results were not promising in my eyes toward high SG skilling.

[short]

It seems with higher sweat gathering skill comes a greater variance of the amount of sweat collected.

[Acronoid]

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

While I do agree that the SG skills sampled are generally low compared to other skills, keep in mind it's also the slowest skill you can increase. (concentrate, sweat, fail, try again, finally sweat and exp.) Case in point, there's some serious professional sweaters out there and still 1k is rare, and >1.5K is almost unheard of. 5k SG skill may almost be impossible to get.

EDIT:
I seem to remember another thread trying to find the highest SG skill and the results were not promising in my eyes toward high SG skilling.

Maybe if we wait another year or so, then the 2k+ SGskills will pop up.
Although my graphs do indicate than SG skill does matter, although it must be said that you will need ALOT of them.
Now find some neurotic people that want to sweat 24/7

[Blob]

Originally Posted by Acronoid

Below are the graphs showing some facts about the data I have acquired. I must state however that the results aren't fully clear but we can state however that a higher skill does NOT worsen sweating. To be sure if it makes sweating beter more data should be analysed.

succesfull atempts out of total attempts (succesfull / total attempts)

acquired sweat on total attempts (sweat/ total attempts)

acquired sweat on succesfull attempts (sweat / succesfull attempts)



Feel free to comment or add extra sweating data

Regards Deity Acronoid

Erm... it seems to me that the 1st and 3rd graph are the wrong way round, e.g.: I think the descriptions should read:
1. acquired sweat on succesfull attempts (sweat / succesfull attempts)
2. acquired sweat on total attempts (sweat/ total attempts)
3. succesfull atempts out of total attempts (succesfull / total attempts)
Instead of:

1. succesfull atempts out of total attempts (succesfull / total attempts)
2. acquired sweat on total attempts (sweat/ total attempts)
3. acquired sweat on succesfull attempts (sweat / succesfull attempts)

And well done for a good experiment

[Cani Ostro]

There might be a factor where skill versus the sweated mobs takes its toll as well. MA likes throw around with the term "match skills balballblalbalblalbl" at any point, so why not for sweating as well?

Would make sense as in higher sweaters should sweat higher mobs and get worse results on low mobs to prevent them from camping the low mobs and the lowbies have their grounds without someone cleaning it out.

[JohnCapital]

Originally Posted by Cani Ostro

There might be a factor where skill versus the sweated mobs takes its toll as well. MA likes throw around with the term "match skills balballblalbalblalbl" at any point, so why not for sweating as well?

Would make sense as in higher sweaters should sweat higher mobs and get worse results on low mobs to prevent them from camping the low mobs and the lowbies have their grounds without someone cleaning it out.

Interesting point, but remember it was only recently that sweating wasn't capped. For most of the life of this universe, you could only do it so long before your "free money" was tapped out. So I don't think they really intended what you're suggesting.

However, this is the most dynamic universe ever, so....

[In Love With]

gotta say thanks very much for doing this ... Whether or not the sample size is sufficient left apart the graphs vividly demonstrate that sweat gatherer skills have no influence on sweating whatsoever.

I agree with Steffel, that they are no (known) sweat ubers just yet who might have a different sweat experience, but for 99.99% of the players this proves that SG level means jack

ILW