Sweat Price???

[BlackMagicWoman]

My thinking is that more new players doesnt mean necesarilly more sweaters...maybe at first, but there will be those using the ME, that will need the sweat for their own use. So, more players doesnt mean that the price of sweat will drop, maybe only at the begining when they are all in a n00bness condition, afterwards, the market should get back to its balance.

[matthew]

well a few months ago i could goto pa and say buying sweat at 0.5 and have a load of buyers now no 1 will sell for 0.5 so the price may have gone up a bit

[BlackMagicWoman]

Originally Posted by matthew

well a few months ago i could goto pa and say buying sweat at 0.5 and have a load of buyers now no 1 will sell for 0.5 so the price may have gone up a bit

The price did get up a bit, it used to be 0.5, now is 0.7 as far as I know.
It will always fluctuate because there is always a traffic of coming and going players, also, the ones that go from sweaters to depositors.

[frisca2004]

Originally Posted by BlackMagicWoman

The price did get up a bit, it used to be 0.5, now is 0.7 as far as I know.
It will always fluctuate because there is always a traffic of coming and going players, also, the ones that go from sweaters to depositors.

All about the Benjamins...We'll just see how easy it is to sweat in this new VU, my guess is that MA will harden it a bit because the number of players is about to explode to 1 milion(IMO)

[andy5579]

Originally Posted by frisca2004

All about the Benjamins...We'll just see how easy it is to sweat in this new VU, my guess is that MA will harden it a bit because the number of players is about to explode to 1 milion(IMO)

And with the VU tomorrow... I better get sweating before its really hard! Eeek!

[MrWizard]

Marco stated in another thread that the new users will be playing alongside. There will be no shards, just one big ass universe. You'll never be bored again, as from their description, there will be hundreds of new planets. Hell, I'll be happy with just a few more. Give us places to go, give us more stuff to do.

Perhaps the whole sweating system will be modified. For example, creatures from this planet sweat, but perhaps on another planet, they don't. Players will need to come to Calypso to get it.

Or sweat won't just be sweat anymore. We'll have Calypso sweat, which when combined with nexus creates ME, however, when nexus is combined with sweat from another planet, we'll get another result. Perhaps ME that doubles the usual power? Instead of using 9 ME, it'll only take 5. Perhaps sweat from some worlds will be less effective. Perhaps a specific sweat will allow you to teleport from planet to planet, instead of having to take a ship.

The opportunities are endless. This new world is just that. A new world. Ours will cease to exist as it is. Oh, many things will be the same, but MANY will change as well. MA currently has a staff of 50 or so. They'll supposedly be adding 10,000 more. Some of those folks have gotta have some good ideas, and I'd bet that some will have the coding skills to implement them.

So, to answer the poll, I'd bet the sweat price will change dramatically simply because I think the whole system will change dramatically. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[SnapNet]

Good points MrWizard. I agree that many things can change and you gave some very interesting ideas. I'm very excited to see the gradual outcome of this, if it ever materializes.

[KP708]

I think the most interesting thing is the 3 peaks in the poll graph:
- price will stay the same
- price will drop drastically
- price will rise drastically

This type of divergence suggests a lack of consensus, which is probably the result of lack of information, on a subject with a very large potential for variation.

In other words, we are awaiting one or more events (china, and especially new VUs affecting MF) which could have a dramatic effect, and until we know more, anything is possible.

This, more than anything, I think is what the poll shows.

[Kaiser]

Originally Posted by SnapNet

I'm one of those who believe that the price will fall sharply!! I don't want to sound condescending (it's not my intention), but this game is not a game for a country that has a high population living in poverty. For example, just a few years back, there were 150 million people in China living in less than $1 USD a day!!

Just as China already has numerious gold farms (companies that hire to gather gold in MMO games to resell online), its almost inconceivable to believe that they are NOT going to create 'sweat farms'!

If this becomes the case, as more sweat farms begin showing up in China, sweat supply will increase dramatically. The higher supply of sweat, the lower the price of sweat will become. The lower the price of sweat becomes, the lower the price of Mind Essence becomes. If Mind Essence drops in price, it will also drag Force Nexus down in price.

MA really needs to study this reaction because it could definitely have a negative cascading effect.

Only one hting backward here. If sweat supply rises sharply and nexus supply does not Nexus prices will go up not down. Because there will not be enough to cover the sweat supply.

[KP708]

Originally Posted by Kaiser

Only one hting backward here. If sweat supply rises sharply and nexus supply does not Nexus prices will go up not down. Because there will not be enough to cover the sweat supply.

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the price of a good dictated (outside factors aside) by supply and demand of/for that good.

Not supply of something else.

I completely agree more sweat supply as a result of more sweaters prepared to sell for less will mean lower price of sweat, provided demand stays the same.

Now let's look at ME. Will demand for ME change? Chances are it won't change due to external factors until the MF update (if that materialises - see below). It will increase if the price drops.

So what about supply - well people make ME from sweat and FN and sell it because they can get more profit than selling sweat or FN directly. Otherwise, ME would only be made by MF users. So if sweat price drops, ME-makers will start to undercut each other until the margin goes back to the current level. Supply will increase in other words, with intially no significant change to demand, and ME price will drop. This will boost demand in ME, until we get a new equilibrium price.

Now if more ME is made, the demand for FN will go up it's true, but this will push up the price and make it less economical to make ME again, so the demand will go down. Again we get a new equilibrium.

Whether price of FN ultimately is higher or lower than now will surely depend on where the new equilibrium point is. And this depends on how people react, and the consequent effect on the supply of FN, and the demand for ME.

I seem to remember there is something called the price elasticity of demand/supply which defines how the price will affect demand/supply. eg if price of ME drops, this will stimulate demand, but by how much? This is the elasticity. If demand is very elastic, it will increase rapidly when the price falls, so that the eventual price of ME will still be about the same. So it's more complex than just will there be more or less supply of sweat.

Now what about the MF update. What happens if MA introduce a VU with more MF. (I'm really getting into these acronyms ) We have more demand for ME, say because of a new economical way to hunt with MF.

Increased demand for ME means higher price. It also means more demand for sweat, so price of sweat rises. Hence noobs can manage without depositing for longer. Good for Bond. Bad for MA. (Sorry in-joke remember Sean Bean) Anyway this means the only way they can introduce an MF update without hitting deposit volumes is to simultaneously increase the supply of sweat to compensate. Ooh China. Anyone see a link here. Expect the MF update when China goes live. You heard it here first.