FYI: Max Power's Pet Training Experiments

Max Power · 07-09-2008, 14:19

I've always wondered which is the most eco way or the quickest way to train on pets for skills so I decided to find out by a series of tests that will take me a few days to complete.

For the tests I will use 2 Daikiba Stalkers, and 3 Daikiba Prowlers simultaneously, and initially do tests to 1000 nutrino (200 on each pet).

The tests I will perform are:

Test 1:
0 Trust on all pets, use Greet command, 1000 bars total -> List skills.

Test 2:
831 Trust on all pets, use Greet command, 1000 bars total -> List skills.
* But while doing this test I noticed the energy bars were not dropping down as expected, it appeared that when a pet gained experience it ate a couple of extra bars. I will list the skills gained in this test anyway.

Test 3:
831 Trust on all pets, use Greet command, all Level 3 pets, 1000 bars total -> List skills.

Test 4:
831 Trust on all pets, use Impress command, all Level 3 pets, 1000 bars total -> List skills.

Test 5:
0 Trust on all pets, use Impress command, all Level 2 pets, 1000 bars total -> List skills.

Test 6:
0 Trust on all pets, use Greet command, all Level 2 pets, 1000 bars total -> List skills.

Please give any comments or any other things I should be trying here. I know 1000 bars is not very much, but will give a guide before I do a 10K run for each test

Cheers,
/MP.

Max Power · 07-09-2008, 14:19

Test 1.
Pets: 2 Daikiba Stalkers and 3 Prowlers
0 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Greet Command Used

Code:

Skill          Before   After   Change
Agility         64.34    64.35   0.01
Intelligence    49.47    49.50   0.03
Alertness     4803.90  4804.47   0.57
Courage       6767.60  6767.81   0.21
Dexterity     4160.88  4161.25   0.37
Perception    3717.75  3718.49   0.74
Animal Lore   5096.41  5101.67   5.26
Animal Taming 4793.12  4796.56   3.44
Zoology       4485.51  4488.45   2.94

Total Skills Gained:            13.53
TT Value Of Skill Gain:          1.26

40 Nutrino consumed per 100 clicks.

Test 2.
Pets: 2 Daikiba Stalkers and 3 Prowlers
831 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Greet Command Used

Code:

Skill          Before   After   Change
Agility         64.35    64.35   0.00
Intelligence    49.50    49.51   0.01
Alertness     4804.47  4805.01   0.54
Courage       6767.81  6768.01   0.20
Dexterity     4161.63  4162.66   1.03
Perception    3718.49  3718.84   0.35
Animal Lore   5102.45  5105.04   2.59
Animal Taming 4797.76  4800.14   2.38
Zoology       4488.67  4489.82   1.15

Total Skills Gained:             8.24
TT Value Of Skill Gain:          0.67

Initially Test 2 was performed much faster than test 1 because the nutrino consumption was greater, but the skill gain is only 60% of Test 1 for the same number of bars. Is this because of the pets gaining experience, or the Trust?

Test 3 will eliminate the pets gaining experience so should give some interesting results.

Test 3.
Pets: 2 Daikiba Stalkers and 3 Prowlers
828 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Greet Command Used
All Pets At Level 3

Code:

Skill          Before   After   Change
Agility         64.36    64.36   0.00
Intelligence    49.56    49.57   0.01
Alertness     4805.66  4806.12   0.46
Courage       6768.43  6768.66   0.23
Dexterity     4163.45  4164.07   0.62
Perception    3719.92  3720.20   0.28
Animal Lore   5111.41  5114.46   3.05
Animal Taming 4806.25  4808.71   2.46
Zoology       4494.46  4496.40   1.94

Total Skills Gained:             9.04
TT Value Of Skill Gain:          0.82

What I noticed when starting this test was that the pets Trust had dropped to 828 from the 831 in the previous test. This may be due to levelling up, but will be checked in further tests.
*At the end of the test Trust had dropped further to 826 for each pet.

Test 4.
Pets: 2 Daikiba Stalkers and 3 Prowlers
826 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Impress Command Used
All Pets At Level 3

Code:

Skill          Before   After   Change
Agility         64.36    64.37   0.01
Intelligence    49.57    49.57   0.00
Alertness     4806.12  4806.42   0.30
Courage       6768.66  6768.70   0.04
Dexterity     4164.07  4165.19   1.12
Perception    3720.20  3720.43   0.23
Animal Lore   5114.46  5117.53   3.07
Animal Taming 4808.71  4811.40   2.69
Zoology       4496.40  4498.28   1.88

Total Skills Gained:             9.33
TT Value Of Skill Gain:          0.79

At the end of this test trust was down to 825.

Looking at tests 3 and 4 the only differance is one used Greet, and the other used Impress, the skill gain was almost the same.
When an Impress 'Trick' was done it appeared the pet ate 2 extra nutrino.

Test 5 with the pets at level 2 with 0 trust will enable me to do more Greet/Impress tests to check whether Trust reduces skill gain.

Test 5.
Pets: 2 Daikiba Stalkers and 3 Prowlers
0 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Impress Command Used
All Pets At Level 2

Code:

Skill          Before   After   Change
Agility         64.37    64.38   0.01
Intelligence    49.59    49.62   0.03
Alertness     4806.42  4806.60   0.18
Courage       6768.75  6769.07   0.32
Dexterity     4165.51  4166.55   1.04
Perception    3720.43  3720.90   0.47
Animal Lore   5119.23  5125.50   6.27
Animal Taming 4814.01  4816.72   2.71
Zoology       4498.72  4501.45   2.73

Total Skills Gained:            13.72
TT Value Of Skill Gain:          1.33

Test 5a. 10K Nutrino Test.
Pets: 2 Daikiba Stalkers and 3 Prowlers
0 Trust For Each Pet
10,000 Nutrino Total (2,000 Each Pet)
Impress Command Used
All Pets At Level 2

Code:

Skill          Before   After   Change
Agility         64.38    64.45   0.07
Intelligence    49.67    50.04   0.37
Alertness     4807.42  4813.90   6.48
Courage       6769.43  6772.38   2.95
Dexterity     4168.14  4174.50   6.38
Perception    3721.52  3730.61   9.09
Animal Lore   5130.82  5192.31  61.49
Animal Taming 4821.05  4855.70  34.65
Zoology       4504.21  4531.87  27.66

Total Skills Gained:           148.70
TT Value Of Skill Gain:         13.14

No Impress 'Trick' was performed during the test, this is probably due to 0 trust.
But look at the skills gained, 13.72, this is comparable to Test 1 which had a gain of 13.53 and used 0 trust.
80 Nutrino consumed per 100 clicks.
Test 6 should ideally give us approx the same skill gain then.

Test 6.
Pets: 2 Daikiba Stalkers and 3 Prowlers
0 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Greet Command Used
All Pets At Level 2

Code:

Skill          Before   After   Change
Agility         64.38    64.38   0.00
Intelligence    49.62    49.67   0.05
Alertness     4806.60  4807.42   0.82
Courage       6769.07  6769.41   0.34
Dexterity     4166.55  4168.05   1.50
Perception    3720.90  3721.52   0.62
Animal Lore   5125.50  5130.82   5.32
Animal Taming 4816.72  4821.05   4.33
Zoology       4501.45  4504.21   2.76

Total Skills Gained:            15.69
TT Value Of Skill Gain:          1.38

Test 6a. 10K Nutrino Test.
Pets: 2 Daikiba Stalkers and 3 Prowlers
0 Trust For Each Pet
10,000 Nutrino Total (2,000 Each Pet)
Greet Command Used
All Pets At Level 2

Code:

Skill          Before   After   Change
Agility         64.46    64.53   0.07
Intelligence    50.07    50.42   0.35
Alertness     4814.46  4820.25   5.79
Courage       6772.57  6775.70   3.13
Dexterity     4174.92  4184.93  10.01
Perception    3731.82  3741.41   9.59
Animal Lore   5205.43  5272.09  66.66
Animal Taming 4863.82  4896.46  32.64
Zoology       4534.13  4561.82  27.69

Total Skills Gained:           155.51
TT Value Of Skill Gain:         13.05

This test took a lot longer to complete than the one with the Impress command and I could clearly see when I was clicking more green messages appearing so I expected a good result. A gain of 15.69 is almost 2 points higher than the same test with the Impress command. Also, this test is similar to the first test completed but we had level 2 pets here, not level 1 as with the first test.
40 Nutrino consumed per 100 clicks.

Well, I hope these tests have been useful and you have found something out you didn't know. Maybe someone else could do the same series of tests and post the results here, so we can compare.

/MP.

Smoerble · 07-11-2008, 01:02

Hello Max,
great work. I just need to add soemthing which should lead into new tests: skill gains are pretty random, 200 nutrios (= 200 clicks) is not enoúgh to see, if this is a typical skill gain.

But what people can see from your test is, that there is not a big difference between the methods... still I would do the same tests in the same order several times to make sure, that the results are stable...

... and then comes a new VU and all tests need to be redone

.

Anyways, highly appreciated effort, you gained +reps for this

.

Oleg · 07-11-2008, 13:09

Interesting test, but counting the skill points you gained doesn't really mean much. To compare skill gains you need to work out how much of an ESI you would fill with the skills gained.

You can do that at www.entropiatools.com

Max Power · 07-11-2008, 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg

Interesting test, but counting the skill points you gained doesn't really mean much. To compare skill gains you need to work out how much of an ESI you would fill with the skills gained.

You can do that at www.entropiatools.com

TT Value of skill gains added. I calculated this using the tools with full avatar skills before and after the tests, an subtracted to get the difference, if this is right

Oleg · 07-11-2008, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Power

TT Value of skill gains added. I calculated this using the tools with full avatar skills before and after the tests, an subtracted to get the difference, if this is right

That's right, yep

Max Power · 07-11-2008, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smoerble

Hello Max,
great work. I just need to add soemthing which should lead into new tests: skill gains are pretty random, 200 nutrios (= 200 clicks) is not enoúgh to see, if this is a typical skill gain.

But what people can see from your test is, that there is not a big difference between the methods... still I would do the same tests in the same order several times to make sure, that the results are stable...

... and then comes a new VU and all tests need to be redone

.

Anyways, highly appreciated effort, you gained +reps for this

.

Thanks Smoerble.

I'm really interested in Tests 1, 5 and 6 at the moment. I would have thought that Tests 1 and 6 when the Trust was at 0 and just the levels were 1 and 2 that the skill gain would have been the same, but it appeared that at level 2 10% more skills were gained, but this could just be a random result.
I'm going to run a 10K nutrino test (2K a pet) on Test 5 first because this had the fastest skill gain, I will then do 10K on Test 6 and compare, then if I have the time will do Test 1 again with 10K bars and compare. I'm logging all results as I go, and when a test needs restarted the next day I will add 7 nutrino to each pet for its daily allowance

Cheers,
/MP

RobVee · 07-11-2008, 14:13

Great work! Such tests are really appreciated!
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LeeLoo Faith · 07-11-2008, 14:50

nice test.

now I would be interested in one (or even two) more tests:

0 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Greet Command Used
All Pets At Level 3

0 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Impress Command Used
All Pets At Level 3

Max Power · 07-11-2008, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeLoo Faith

nice test.

now I would be interested in one (or even two) more tests:

0 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Greet Command Used
All Pets At Level 3

0 Trust For Each Pet
1000 Nutrino Total (200 Each Pet)
Impress Command Used
All Pets At Level 3

Thanks LeeLoo.

I was gonna reply and say it's probably not possible to get a Level 3 pet to 0 trust...but maybe it is.

To get to Level 2 and 0 Trust I skilled them up to Level 3 with about 820 trust, then used all their energy up until it got to 100 and then just left them in the wild for 10 minutes until they auto-stabled. This reduced the trust to 0, but also had the effect of reducing the level to 2 (about 2.5 to be exact).
So this method would not work because there is no Level 4 yet to drop us to Level 3.

But...

Since when we are skilling it decreases the trust, albeit VERY slowly, maybe if a pet is skilled to level 3, and then that trust is decreased until it is 0 it could work.
When I observed the trust decreasing it appeared to be about 1 point every 100 nutrino used, so we would need to find the minimum ammount of trust needed for the pet to gain experience and then use 100 times that ammount in nutrino to drop it to 0

If the minimum is 100 trust for pets to gain exp, this would still give me 10K per pet to drop the trust, and using 5 pets would be 50K nutrino just to set the test up. I'll order a new mouse button now

Maybe there is another way I have not thought of?

But I will investigate this minimum trust further and report back and tell you what it is.

Cheers,
/MP