Info: EU on iPodTouch

[Rumsponge]

Let me make it clear that I'm not saying that I have any problem with someone doing this.

However, what you essentially have is a second computer controlling the one that runs EU. In the case that we are discussing here, you will be manning the second computer.

What if someone has a bot controlling the second computer? MA would never be able to scan for it.

What if a person wants to run several accounts simultaneously without being detected? Using this method, you can remotely control logins from anywhere in the world that you can get someone to set up a pc for you.

Don't know if either of these examples is a big deal or not, but it is worth a mention.

[andyzammy]

ur making it more complicated than it actually is rum. its just a "portal", not a computer per se. just something to look through from afar.

there is no point in botting what is essentially a controller pad... why not just bot the original computer? there is no advantage to be gained from doing otherwise.

and setting up a rig to avoid detection.. well, u have a lot more problems than just EU if ur that discrete. talk about paranoia.

[Tamn]

wow, thats pretty sweet!
Would be very nice for auctions and such while on vacation,

too bad a monkey ate my ipod....wait....errr...no....I never had one,

[Rumsponge]

Originally Posted by andyzammy

ur making it more complicated than it actually is rum. its just a "portal", not a computer per se. just something to look through from afar.

there is no point in botting what is essentially a controller pad... why not just bot the original computer? there is no advantage to be gained from doing otherwise.

and setting up a rig to avoid detection.. well, u have a lot more problems than just EU if ur that discrete. talk about paranoia.

ok, maybe I was not speaking clearly, or maybe I missed the point of the thread.

Let me run through this once more and you can correct me if I miss something....

The point of this exercise was

1) setup a windows machine with EU installed and running on that machine

2) install a Virtual Network Computing "server" program to interact with EU.

(although the terms client and server may not be exactly correct in a classical sense, I think it fairly accurately describes the relationship of the devices)

3) use an iPod Touch / iPhone / Mac / PC / whatever as a "client" sending commands to said VNC server which, in turn, controls EU.


Now, here is where I see the problems-

If MA "scans" your computer as they claim to, the VNC software that interacts with and controls EU is technically against the EULA. I guess that if I were going to do this, I would be very interested in what MA has to say about it first.

Why I think MindArk may have a problem with it-

a) Even if you have only the best intentions, someone else could use the same setup to run undetectable botting/scripting software on a second PC and then use the VNC or Windows Remote Access software to avoid detection by MA when and if they "scan" the computer which is running EU. This is pretty much child's play to setup.

b) I can think of many reasons a scammer would like to be controlling two or more accounts simultaneously on computers that are physically in completely different parts of the country/world.

Even if you set up separate computers side by side running EU over totally different networks, the IP addresses will still more or less point back to the machines all being in the same area. However, a remote control agent would allow someone to run multiple avatars on machines that are physically scattered about the planet. And therefore, making it even more difficult to track down scammers.


I never said anything about wanting to run something that is undetectable, myself. The only concern I have about security is for people using the software.

By installing a VNC or any other remote control agent, a person could be leaving their computer open to risks. If installed and configured properly, I imagine that the risks are fairly small. But, unless a person really knows what they are doing, they could be leaving themselves open without knowing it.


Like I said before, I have no idea what MA's stand will be, and I have no idea what the risks of each piece of software are. I am only saying that it may be prudent to exercise a bit of caution before running out and downloading some VNC software.

Or did I miss the point?

[kygon]

Rumsponge sorry I think you are totally wrong.

normally - I login to EU on my PC control it using mouse and keyboard
iphone - I login to my ipod touch then login to EU on my PC control it using mouse and keyboard (via the ipod touch)

there are no 3rd party apps "interfering" with EU in anyway, it is CLEARLY not against the EULA- I suspect you do read it!

yes there are security concerns but the second you login to the internet there is ALWAYS security concerns lol

next you'll be telling me that MA dont like me running a webserver, ftp server, bittorrent client, irc client or anything of the like on MY MACHINE - MA dont care what I run as long as its not 'interfering' with EU

[Rumsponge]

Originally Posted by kygon

Rumsponge sorry I think you are totally wrong.

normally - I login to EU on my PC control it using mouse and keyboard
iphone - I login to my ipod touch then login to EU on my PC control it using mouse and keyboard (via the ipod touch)

there are no 3rd party apps "interfering" with EU in anyway, it is CLEARLY not against the EULA- I suspect you do read it!

The word is "influencing".

"The Participant also agrees upon not using any Third Party software or equipment that influences the Entropia Universe in any way."

The VNC software is most definitely 3rd party software, and by allowing remote control of your EU session, it most definitely is "influencing" the operations of EU, and it does it in exactly the same manner that any scripting/botting software does.

Originally Posted by kygon

yes there are security concerns but the second you login to the internet there is ALWAYS security concerns lol

I agree there are security concerns with connecting to the internet, but all normal browsing software and client programs are designed to specifically prevent external computers from accessing yours. This software is designed to give external network computers control of yours.

Originally Posted by kygon

next you'll be telling me that MA dont like me running a webserver, ftp server, bittorrent client, irc client or anything of the like on MY MACHINE - MA dont care what I run as long as its not 'interfering' with EU

None of those programs interact or "influence" the EU software any more than your virus scanner or Wordpad do.


Again, I am not saying that MA does, or should, have a problem with this. I am only saying that they could and I'd rather find out ahead of time.

Also, every version of the VNC software may have the best encryption and security features known to man, and may be totally secure right out of the box for every user. But, again, it would be nice to know how likely you are to be giving total control of your computer to someone else before it happens.

[Apple GREEN]

Tbh logicly thinking MA would be supporting this rather then banning the idea, as it gives participants a chance to play while being on the move. More people playing = more chance for MA to make money, as for scamming - to MA it's still same PC used for playing, same ip, only difference is that you're not physicly behind it, though still you are a physical person being active behind your avi.

[DrFeelGood]

Anyone know if you can run EU on PSP?

[Rumsponge]

Originally Posted by Apple GREEN

Tbh logicly thinking MA would be supporting this rather then banning the idea, as it gives participants a chance to play while being on the move. More people playing = more chance for MA to make money,

I agree. it is really cool and very useful, and I hope that MA does not have a problem with it.

Originally Posted by Apple GREEN

as for scamming - to MA it's still same PC used for playing, same ip, only difference is that you're not physicly behind it, though still you are a physical person being active behind your avi.

I agree that, if used in this exact manner, the software is clearly not a scam or a problem whatsoever. However, the same software can be used for other purposes that are not so innocent. And, if MA locks down your account for "investigation", it is entirely possible that you can convinve them that you weren't doing anything unreasonable. But I'm lazy, I prefer to avoid unnecessary problems instead of resolving them afterwards.

All I'm saying is that it wouldn't hurt to send a support case or pm to Marco.

[XeroX2]

hm i think the best to play eu whereever i want is a notebook :p I think when i finally know what it needs to run CE2 EU as a minimum i`ll get the cheapest notebook i can find which has the power for it.