CB5 + tac10

[aka_fr0st]

would it be worth it to use a bull tac10 (L) on a CB5? would it be actualy worth it ?

[Redfrog]

CB5 eco = 3.96 dmg/pec
CB5+BT10 eco = 4.00 dmg/pec

CB5 @ 150% markup, eco = 2.64 dmg/pec
CB5 @ 150% + BT10 @ 120% = 2.77 dmg/pec*

So yes, it's more economical to amp the CB5 and you get higher dmg/sec as well. But not by much.

*all figures from entropedia.

[lillenecho]

afew more pec/dmg sure, but as everyone knows the loot from the mobs that u hunt with cb5 most likely wont give you that much loot that it´s worth it.

[jdegre]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

CB5 @ 150% markup, eco = 2.64 dmg/pec
CB5 @ 150% + BT10 @ 120% = 2.77 dmg/pec*

are you sure these numbers are ok?
i just did a quick check with entropiatools.com and it shows exactly the opposite result: it is more eco to use cb5 unamped, due to the tac10 markup.
CB5@150%: 2.72 dmg/pec
CB5@150% + Tac10@120%: 2.65 dmg/pec

[Asfodhell]

The CB5 is NOT eco ...



1st line : CB5 @ 100%
2nd line : CB5 @ 100% / BT10 @ 121.22%
3rd line : CB5 @ 156.62% / BT10 @ 121.22%
4th line : CB5 @ 156.62%

The point is , the eco is always less than 4 and far less even with BT10 at TT price ...

Let's hope u'll get CB5 and BT10 at TT price , ur eco will be 4.005

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Opalo is exactly the same as the CB5 (exept the markup and fast rate of fire for the CB5)
===> CB5 : 6.4dmg/sec Opalo : 5.867

Now , add the A101 to Opalo ...



I am hardly BLP addicted !
But , for a beginner (noob ...) , the best choice is Opalo + A101 (more eco and faster dmg/sec than CB5 + BT10 !!)


PS: Thanx to Entropedia.info and entropiatools.com

[Traf Rellik]

Philosophically, the choice between an opalo and cb5 is not about the eco of that weapon, but the selection of the weapon type early on.

My own opinion (which matters little), is that EVERYONE should have an opalo, and everyone that chooses the long term BLP benefit should also skill up with a CB5.

As for the amps, the heavy cost of the A101 makes it prohibitive for the novice hunter. Even if it pays for itself in eco in the long run, it's a heavy price to pay for someone just starting out.

the CB-5 + Tac 10 should then be compared to the Opalo alone because of opportunity cost, and then it's pretty much a 50/50 split when you factor in the long term goals.

[Dorsai]

I always thought the reason MA introduced amps was because the amp increased your decay (IE their profit). To make this increase in decay attractive, a gun+amp was more eco than a gun alone.

This meant that rather than buy a bigger gun when you wanted to increase your damage, it was more economical to buy an amp. MA liked this, as the amp gave more profit, and the player liked it as they got the higher damage at a lower cost.

The BLP amp mentioned seems to go against this theory. Why would I want to use one if it lowers my eco? If I want to do more damage, I should just buy a bigger gun. Seems MA got their sums wrong with the Bull tac10.

[Noodles]

Originally Posted by Dorsai

Seems MA got their sums wrong with the Bull tac10.

It's only worse eco if you consider markup (which you should . . .but MA doesn't).

Originally Posted by Asfodhell

Let's hope u'll get CB5 and BT10 at TT price , ur eco will be 4.005

Compared to 3.96 for CB5 alone at tt

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by jdegre

are you sure these numbers are ok?
i just did a quick check with entropiatools.com and it shows exactly the opposite result: it is more eco to use cb5 unamped, due to the tac10 markup.
CB5@150%: 2.72 dmg/pec
CB5@150% + Tac10@120%: 2.65 dmg/pec

Just checked it through again on the calculator using the following formula:
dmg/(cost per shot x markup) = effective eco (cost to the PED card)

CB5: 8 dmg/(2.02 x 1.5) = 8/3.03 = 2.64
and
BT10: 2 dmg/(0.48 x 1.2) = 2/0.576 = 3.47

CB5+BT10: 10 dmg/3.606 = 2.77
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EDIT!
Aaargh! I've just realised what a stupid nooby mistake I made, I included the ammo cost in the calculation!

Start again:
CB5: 8 dmg/2 + (0.02 x 1.5) = 8/2.03 = 3.94
BT10: 2 dmg/(0.48 x 1.2) = 2/0.576 = 3.47

No need to go any further - the amp is less eco that the gun and therefore can only decrease the efficiency.

Apologies to anyone I misled with my mistake.

[jdegre]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Just checked it through again on the calculator using the following formula:
dmg/(cost per shot x markup) = effective eco (cost to the PED card)

CB5: 8 dmg/(2.02 x 1.5) = 8/3.03 = 2.64
and
BT10: 2 dmg/(0.48 x 1.2) = 2/0.576 = 3.47

CB5+BT10: 10 dmg/(3.03 + 0.576) = 10/3.606 = 2.77

I'd appreciate you double-checking my maths here jdegre and seeing if I've missed something silly.

i'm affraid it is wrong, redfrog, since you're using the total cost per use of the isis cb5 (2.02) at a markup of 150%.
the correct way would be to use only the decay at 150%, but not the ammo burn (which has no markup, obviously).