What weapon to get

[sunny]

Hi all!

I hunt Hogs, Kingfishers necu and Atrax/Atrox most of the time. And now I'm getting tired of using L guns all the time for the high markup.

I soon max the Isis LR53 and 1 lvl away for the Apis, also been using HL-6 (maxed).

Thinking of the Mk IV, Starkhov 117 or go back to the EP-41 but would like abit of range atleast so don't know about the EP-41.

Do u have a better idea what I should try to get or should I stick to CB-21, Manis and soon Apis?

Would be nice to be able to Eco-hunt and still do alot of damage but not have to spend a fortune on a gun. So eco and speed is the main concern.

A chart to compare what I might have in mind


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Thx all

[Magnifico]

i guess u r at that difficult stage where most ppl are stuck.....including me...

i have both the AS117 and the EP41.......i use them with a beast n a105 rspectively...
i use the as117 to bring down the health of the mob b4 it reaches me but once it does the 117 is not even half as effective as the ep41.....
so imo if u do need to buy the as117 it is prolly not worth it if u already have a ep41..
i also make a few manis and that seems to be hugely more effective than the 117..obviously being L n all....

i have no experience with the mk4..... but i think there is no cheap way to eco hunt the mobs u want to hunt...

apart from the L stuff, it is just the unL versions of the cb series that are gr8 but cost around 20k...

if i was u..id stick to the ep41, just get some rifle to hit it a few times b4 it reaches u...bravo to tag and a mk2 + 104 (manages to hit around 2-3 50+dmg shots b4 the mob reaches u).
gl

[sunny]

Did sell the EP-41 a while back and I've been using only L weapons since. But EP-41 and MkIV are the most eco of the weapons I've been looking at and they are UL It's a pity I love the Blp's. But if the markup on Apis goes down then we might be able to keep it as a 1 choice weapon..

So I might have to get a EP-41 for primary weapon and an Apis as "tagging and weaken the mob"

Were are all non uber but still really nice not to expensive weapons ???

[waperboy]

Pkmx posted a thread recently, which showed for example that in spite of the high markup, Apis is more eco for Hogglos than a "lower dmg/sec, more eco L gun".
It would follow then that since you're almost max on Apis, you're nowhere near good damage levels on the non-L guns you mention. This would then give you lower average dmg/sec - together with low HA, this will most certainly cost you more than using Apis.

Research on weapon economic

P5a(145%) + A106 - 1144
AL15(166%) + A106 - 1228
LR53(230%) + A106 - 1158
X1(258%) + Dante - 1037
LP470(155%) + Beast - 1156
LP485(240%) + Dante - 1059
Terminator + Dante - 819
Mod Merc + A204 - 917
IMK2 + A204 - 935
Maddox IV + Beast - 1110
Adj V1 - 1079
ML-35 + Dante - 1111
Rockjakcer + Dante - 991
AS-117 Mod + Dante - 1004

^^ Snippet from his thread - this shows cost in pecs to kill a hogglo young, with maxed L guns, and lvl 60 non-L guns. Notice the AS-117 (albeit modified) has about equal kill cost to Apis LP485, if you're at level 60 pro standing... long way to go there, and I guess eco on non-mod AS-117 is worse?

I know it sucks to have to buy new guns all the time, but the numbers suggest you should stick to that

[Rayne Jade]

I know it sucks to have to buy new guns all the time, but the numbers suggest you should stick to that

I hear you, but there are other considerations that I take in...

1) The longer you fight the creature the more chances it has to kill you. Your chances of looting a creature increase dramatically if you live longer than the creature.

2) The longer you fight the creature the more chances it has to hit you. This will result in armor and FAP decay.

The studies and test are great, don't get me wrong. But the only eco factored in is for the ammo spent and decay. Each person must individually make corrections for armor and FAP decay and include it into the cost to kill. This will be different for the obvious reasons - everyone has different armors and FAPs.

[sunny]

Originally Posted by waperboy

Pkmx posted a thread recently, which showed for example that in spite of the high markup, Apis is more eco for Hogglos than a "lower dmg/sec, more eco L gun".
It would follow then that since you're almost max on Apis, you're nowhere near good damage levels on the non-L guns you mention. This would then give you lower average dmg/sec - together with low HA, this will most certainly cost you more than using Apis.

Research on weapon economic



^^ Snippet from his thread - this shows cost in pecs to kill a hogglo young, with maxed L guns, and lvl 60 non-L guns. Notice the AS-117 (albeit modified) has about equal kill cost to Apis LP485, if you're at level 60 pro standing... long way to go there, and I guess eco on non-mod AS-117 is worse?

I know it sucks to have to buy new guns all the time, but the numbers suggest you should stick to that

Thanx man, I missed that thread. Hmmm, that was really intressting numbers.
And if I go after them.. Apis is the best choice for me. But I use the Bulltac50(Bulltac 70 for Apis) and with the markup it still seems to be cheaper then the UL amp (never tested Dante that much so can be wrong) I can be dead wrong here thou.

Thanx for your input, it helped me alot