A small comparrison of L & UL pistols

[Kerham]

Originally Posted by Witte

Using loot as basis is very unrelyable as loot changes a lot over time.

Theoretically yes, but practically the very fundament of dmg/pec theory is to help you survive better in EU. If I find an alternative way, which uses unmaxed old-style gun and that helps me, I don't give 2pecs on 10/10.

I have a very simple question. If we asume that:

a) maxed L guns are the best option available
b) most players use maxed L guns

Then how it happens that:

c) most players loose on regular basis and EU is filled with whining?

[Witte]

Originally Posted by Kerham

Theoretically yes, but practically the very fundament of dmg/pec theory is to help you survive better in EU. If I find an alternative way, which uses unmaxed old-style gun and that helps me, I don't give 2pecs on 10/10.

I have a very simple question. If we asume that:

a) maxed L guns are the best option available
b) most players use maxed L guns

Then how it happens that:

c) most players loose on regular basis and EU is filled with whining?

I would say, theoretically no, but practically yes. It is practically almost impossible to proof loot is influenced by the item you use. However, any claim that a certain item results in more loot should come with proof, or else you can make exactly the same claim for any item and it would be meaningless.

To answer your quesion: making profit or breaking even is not only about your efficiency. It helps but its just part of the story.

[Warpath]

Originally Posted by Witte

Another simple way of testing which gun is more efficient is to count the number of kills, and determine the total cost. Although you also need to keep track of maturities. Using loot as basis is very unrelyable as loot changes a lot over time.

I agree that loot is not a reliable variable to measure, I just included it for intrests sake.

I definitley agree that a count of actual mobs killed is needed on this I just didn't think of, but will include it in the next one.

I agree with keeping track of maturities as well. I used allo

a) becasue they were a mob I hunted fairly regularly and i knew where to find vast amounts of them and

b) they are not agressive and it was easy for me to move amongst them and just pick off the providers to keep the maturity consistent


please keep the suggestions coming guys.

[XeroX2]

Originally Posted by chevrons

You definitely need to keep count of the mobs killed, but I also suggest you choose a mob which does not regenerate so fast, as the greater speed of the Karma Killer would skew the results.

hmm i think the fast regen gives the karma killer a bonus, but that isn`t bad for the experiment. because kill speed is allways an advantage and if karma killer has it, this should show in the experiment too.

[Kerham]

Originally Posted by Witte

I would say, theoretically no, but practically yes. It is practically almost impossible to proof loot is influenced by the item you use. However, any claim that a certain item results in more loot should come with proof, or else you can make exactly the same claim for any item and it would be meaningless.

Oy, I readed in diagonal the starting post. Anyway, you got what I meant to say

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by Kerham

Theoretically yes, but practically the very fundament of dmg/pec theory is to help you survive better in EU. If I find an alternative way, which uses unmaxed old-style gun and that helps me, I don't give 2pecs on 10/10.

I have a very simple question. If we asume that:

a) maxed L guns are the best option available
b) most players use maxed L guns

Then how it happens that:

c) most players loose on regular basis and EU is filled with whining?

Sometimes whining is just what we do best. Well after losing thats is. lol

[Warpath]

Originally Posted by Thorn

Well after losing thats is. lol

This is something I have become very familiar with.

[eddric]

It is not the HA that bothers me, because I miss very small. But the min. damage is so bad on non L ones, it makes u cry

[sitram]

Originally Posted by Doer

Next time, i recommend you use the damage parser witte wrote. It can be downloaded from the downloads page on the wiki, and will keep track of how many times you hit the mobs (and the damage done). Then, you can calculate the actual dmg/pec of each weapon.

Unless people have done a number of tests using some quantitative tool like that, don't believe what they say about effective HA being the same. Each time someone has actually done a quantitative test and reported it, there's been a pretty direct scaling between HA and hit %.

Where is the damage parser?

There is no download section on entropedia.info

@ Thread Started:
Use karma Killer m8, I't way better then HL6 since you don't have to pay markup on it.

We need more ppl using the unlimited weapons.

[Spawn]

I am using the karma killer an im not stopping. I have used a lot of [L] guns in the past, but in the end you pay for all that decay and markup.

Eco died with the halving of the amps. In the old days you could get the most eco gun/axe and profit without globalling. Now you just need luck to global to break even. No global = no breaking even.
What you can do to loose minimal is to make sure you do not decay much.
I personally feel shooting more ammo and decaying less , is better then shooting less ammo and decaying more.

So low decay on armour/fap and low decay on your weapon, with high dmg/sec is important, to minimise losses. The karma killer perfectly fits that.