implications of UL X5 and other uber UL L-items

[LostInEntropia]

I been wondering with all the UL stuff now dropping, will MA throw the whole game and skilling through the window when UL X5 or BL1450 would drop ?

Go figure someone loots one then they are instant uber with uber eco, he can sell off all the gained HG/rifle skills, is this what we are waiting for ?

Isn't one terminator in game enuf or are you prepared to pay a few 100K to get your hands on one of these ?

Your thoughts please before this becomes reality

[EarlVonKippler]

i don't think that the amount of these new UL guns will really make that big of a difference. and even so, it is all relative, something is only worth what a person will pay. prices rise and fall.

[Bedamax]

I don't see the big deal, UL weapons always used to drop and it kept the prices sensible. There's a big shortage of weapons in general, so of course they should drop more UL weapons to bring the inflation under control. It's just madness when people are paying 30K for a weapon, when I started nobody paid more than 3K and that was a lot. Whatever happens, most prices should fall back to 1/10 of the current prices, after all it's only a game and people shouldn't have to take out a loan to play!

[Teilk]

Originally Posted by Bedamax

. Whatever happens, most prices should fall back to 1/10 of the current prices, after all it's only a game and people shouldn't have to take out a loan to play!

I think MA disagrees with you. Next VU (if they didnt scam the bank owners) there will be several MA sanctioned loan services/pawnshops, all competing to give you that real loan to take your virtual gear to the next virtual level.

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Bedamax

I don't see the big deal, UL weapons always used to drop and it kept the prices sensible. There's a big shortage of weapons in general, so of course they should drop more UL weapons to bring the inflation under control. It's just madness when people are paying 30K for a weapon, when I started nobody paid more than 3K and that was a lot. Whatever happens, most prices should fall back to 1/10 of the current prices, after all it's only a game and people shouldn't have to take out a loan to play!

The difference is that these unlimited weapons require much lower skills to use at perfect efficiency. The abundance of unlimited SIB weapons dropping right now is puzzling to me because (1) MA has gone to great lengths to establish a (L) economy that involves hunters, miners, and crafters in the economy and (2) MA has gone to great lengths to make it very hard to max any unlimited weapon, including stepping on a lot of toes with a few skill nerfs. I'm trying to reconcile these and failing...

One thing is for sure: only the really uber old weapons are going to be worth anything in another year. It may be that the only old unlimited weapon with anything better to offer than the SIB weapons at that time will be the imk2 (eco). MM (dmg) may very well be surpassed with equivalent eco (at least for all but uber skills). People have been whining about inflation of gear for so long, but they don't seem to realize that the (L) revolution, especially with a bunch of new SIB unlimiteds thrown in, is the answer. Maybe not the answer they want, but a solution, nonetheless.

[Bedamax]

Originally Posted by Teilk

I think MA disagrees with you. Next VU (if they didnt scam the bank owners) there will be several MA sanctioned loan services/pawnshops, all competing to give you that real loan to take your virtual gear to the next virtual level.

This is hardly the same as a real loan since you can only borrow against assets already in game rather than future income. As far as I can see, the purpose of the banks will only ever be short term cash-flow management. In my opinion, MA was rather foolish to try to get into this type of business in the first place. They should concentrate on the gameplay rather than such gimmicks as CND, TI and the banks.

[Teilk]

Originally Posted by Bedamax

This is hardly the same as a real loan since you can only borrow against assets already in game rather than future income. As far as I can see, the purpose of the banks will only ever be short term cash-flow management. In my opinion, MA was rather foolish to try to get into this type of business in the first place. They should concentrate on the gameplay rather than such gimmicks as CND, TI and the banks.

I guess you have never used a credit card to deposit.. That would be the real life loan. After that, you can take in game loans out on the value of the items you have amassed. After that, you can take another r/l loan with your local credit card provider and pay off the in game loan.


Sorry for the off topic, but we needed the clarification fo the clarification

[aridash]

im thinking that a few Uber economical weapons makes no odds to MA, since they drive deposits. was it 60K for the Korss400? X5 could potentially double that. Adapted Monty Anabolic L with 200% + markup is most economical rifle for anyone with less that about 7HA, an non-L would be worth...? if someone drops in $10k to buy one, the system has been paid for the economy advantage, or at least that seems to the the philosophy.

[Skippie]

well, my thought on it is simple.

metal res is too expensive to sustain an economy where crafters will even make a weapon that sells for 110%. why? cause ores and metal res prices are so high, no crafter can afford to make them.

whallah, low level unlimited melee explosion.

and since if i could find a say a masher or scratcher one L manufacturer atm, which i can't, and i would pay 108% or something.

how long does it take for me to recoup my 8% per club on a 2k unlimited masher. answer, long, long time.

therefore i don't put much faith in a "market" of these new low level unlimited weapons.

Originally Posted by aridash

im thinking that a few Uber economical weapons makes no odds to MA, since they drive deposits. was it 60K for the Korss400?

a rockjacker was traded for one of them. that person paid no where near the 60k price range for that rockjacker, yet was asking 70k for the korss very recently.

just as both unlimited korss sit with market speculators, i think so shall these unlimited weapons. resellers don't hunt, they don't buy L gear, so they often buy things such as unlimited mining amps and now unlimited low level gear, seeing stars in their eyes.

i am reminded of the reseller that asked 7k for an enmatter 101 amp unlimited once. i at that time bought enmatter 101 amps from a crafter that sold them to me for tt.

i couldn't see playing a reseller 7k for an unlimited enmatter 101 amp just cause he didn't mine, therefore had no real judge about that items price, since i already paid tt for my enmatter amp decay.

same with these unlimited melee weapons. i'd love to have a unlimited club for small mob skilling, but when speculators are paying 2k for them, hard to see a reason to wet my pants.

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Skippie

well, my thought on it is simple.

metal res is too expensive to sustain an economy where crafters will even make a weapon that sells for 110%. why? cause ores and metal res prices are so high, no crafter can afford to make them.

That's why the M3a is the new M2a: it takes animal oil residue. So do many (most?) new (L) weapons introduced in the last couple months. But it's true that the low-end UL drops are really convenience items rather than money savers.

same with these unlimited melee weapons. i'd love to have a unlimited club for small mob skilling, but when speculators are paying 2k for them, hard to see a reason to wet my pants.

However, for an UL X5, you would. Right?