Changes to Add System (regarding RL advertisements)

[Ido]

I read up a discussion about ingame advertisements today on how annoying it is for players to see a comercial of McD's or whatever over and over again and not really receive anything for it.

It has been said that watching the Adds does not contribute to an individuals loot but to the global loot pool for anyone to grab... Well how is this fair in any way for the people who hope for better loot brainwashing themselves in front of ingame add screens ...

I would like to suggest a change to MA ingame RL addverts:

I think it would be much better to change the add system take away RL adds from city screens and have a seperate window with adds that opens up when u hunt mine or craft .... like kill a monster drop a bomb or click the manufacture button (anything indicating you are active so you cant just idle out in front of the add screen).

It would contain the comercial and u can choose to close it upon opening or not have them open at all (disable adds) or leave it to play visible on your screen (would be on top of all windows for the duration of the add) and after the add is done playing you would receive ... whatever money it was worth watching that comercial ... 11 pec ? i dunno

just for comparison last week 4 clicks on the google adds on my website (http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/...dosunrider.com) earned me 0.49$ ... so 1 click is around 0.12$ im not sure how navigating to producers website compares versus watching a 10 sec add say they pay 0.06$ ... but whatever it is wouldnt u like to get 60 pec to each of your loot for watching some crap while you run to the next mob ??

Rather then building up a ATH for one lucky individual ?...

Ido

--- EDIT ---

Because many people seem to have a wrong idea of what im talking about let me clarify a bit:

Maybe the word popup scares a lot of people ... ok imagine it this way ... an extension on top of the loot window with a video running in it...

|''''''''''''''''''|
|                  |
|     Comercial    |
|      Video       |
|                  |
-------------------
|                  |
|                  |
|        Loot      |
|                  |
|__________________|

Of course in options you can choose not to show comercial window .. if it bothers you...

After you kill a mob loot appears in your loot window and a MOVIE! (bink just like the ones played on the advert screens) is played in your video box... 10 seconds? 20 seconds .. whatever the adds last.. if u dont close it during that time and it remains 100% visible on your screen (easy to check with the graphics engine if the rendering is visible) the movie ends the video screen turns black like the loot window background and your reward appears on the top screen in form of pec or whatever the movie was worth....

No need to click it no need to link to any browser ... you have been brainwashed with new McD's special and earned ur 30 pec

[Tseng]

Yea, that's a good idea, but i'd like to enhance it a bit with the original idea (a ways before PE went gold). At that time, MAs "vision" was to finance big part of the loots through investment/advertisment from other companies.

The main idea was, to finance it through indirect advertisement. For example, the Trade Terminal would offer Cola cans/bottles to buy and for every Cola can bought (which could for example have a healing effect), Coca Cola would have to pay a certain amount to MindArk for it, i.e. 5-10 cent or so. Other things could be cloth shops in i.e. Hadesheim, selling branding items, such as Adidas and Puma improving the look of the participants of Entropia and wearing the logo of that branding (visible to other participants) and for buying that T-Shirt, they would also pay 5-10 cent for every virtual item bought as advertisement fee. That was the "originial" vision of a free Entropia (before they went up bankrupt before gold and was recreated as MindArk PE AB).

Now, to enhance this vision/idea, one could also add ads to loot too. For example, one could make humanoids drop Cola cans and for every cola can droped, MindArk will charge 5-10 pec from Coka Cola and the value of a Coka Cola can would be worth the same amount (5-10 pec). This way, a part of the loot isn't anymore generated by leeching other people/poor souls deposited money to feed a few lucky ones. Instead, a good part of the loot would be financed by real world companies as advertisment for their products.

If done well, this wouldn't be in any way bad for the players, since for example energy drink cans from humanoids perfectly fits to the world. Robots on other side, could drop some of the RL electronic stuff, for example PDAs, which could increase/change/replace the skin of the UI and/or the Radar (i.e. adding geographical stuff to the radar, such as a minimap instead of the normal radar with dark background and red/green dots).

And if later there are cars to be introduced, big companies such as Dodge, Mercedes, Daimler etc. could design their own futuristic designs of the cars (which would fit in the Entropia Universe) and put their brand on it. For every sold car, they have to pay a few dollars to MA (which will be added to the lootpool and then distributed in general loot).

And ingame weapons could also wear popular brands such as Heckler & Koch (instead of the "altered" Meckel & Loch). Basicly there is quite almost endless ways to add ads which fits into the game universe withouth looking disturbing and this way increasing your personal (or overall loot) by other companies. And it would also be better for the other companies to, because the advertisments would be more direct than a ads window.

For example one wearing Adidas T-Shirt would let Adidas know that the person actually was really interested in that and not only watched it halfly afk while in front of the auction. Additional to that, he would also make (free) advertisment for Adidas company by simply wearing that T-Shirt in the public or driving a char from BMW or flying a Ryanair-Space Shuttle or using a Heckler & Koch Riffle when you go out hunting.

[Norbert]

lol would be a nightmare in PvP , but yes good idea, also promotional items in loots would be nice like the 2nd poster mentioned - looted Nike trainers, A Ronald Macdonald mask etc.

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by Norbert

lol would be a nightmare in PvP , but yes good idea, also promotional items in loots would be nice like the 2nd poster mentioned - looted Nike trainers, A Ronald Macdonald mask etc.

Nike Footguards
10 impact defence
+2 agility

[alh]

What? you want popups ingame while hunting/mining/crafting?!

Are you crazy?

Also a lot of assumptions there on how it works, which isn't necessarily true.

And for obvious reasons you can't compare these ads to google ads, so your calculations doesn't really make sense...

Anyway, my main point is:
NO F-N WAY I want ad popups within the game, not even if my ped card increased with 1 ped each time it popped up

How would that in any way be less irritating then the onscreen ads?

[aridash]

this idea, with a popup or permenant window is very poor.

[Ido]

The popup window you can turn on or off ... jsut like u can with current adds in your options of client loader...

i dont see why all the people who complain about the McD's adds dont just turn them off ...

to be honest ... id rather have a popup window telling me Nike has a new deodorant for 10 seconds and so 25 pec additional loot than have adds streaming from the big screens which give ME as a unit .. nothing ...

And as for the benefits of Adds Ma has said they benefit the comunity as a whole and not a unit in one of the phone interviews on Entropia Radio ....

You dont want adds ...just turn them off ... lol

Originally Posted by alh

Anyway, my main point is:
NO F-N WAY I want ad popups within the game, not even if my ped card increased with 1 ped each time it popped up

You might not want to ... but a noob who's loot is 1-10 pec would for sure

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by Ido

And as for the benefits of Adds Ma has said they benefit the comunity as a whole and not a unit in one of the phone interviews on Entropia Radio ....

really? cause im pretty sure they have only stated "we cant talk about exactly how that works"

[Nadie]

No ty! I have the ad screens set to on with no sound on them and voila! annoying repetative ads are no longer annoying

[McCormick]

Ido :O ^^

Like, looting a monster and then *swooosh* "YOU CANT BEAT THE FEELING!"

No, no way, no no no