where are the promised footguards?

[Lugzan]

so far so good!


I see 95% agreement here from player's side. let's move it closer to 99% shall we.


J.

[Optima]

Originally Posted by ~ thebuzz ~

Thats plain BS

I can do falx solo and even fap my way out of it with HL6 and Jaguar+5b on me - I didnt do that, as I required an jaguar or better footguard, didnt want to do total uber mobs like falx - max was hogglo

So as stated earleir I sure as hell tried every aspect of looting footguards, solo..

Since Im "I loot what I need" type of guy, that lives from the land and not reselling my loots unless I don't need them - I wouldn't have hunted for things I didnt need.
When hispidus, ambu and so forth were dropping (seemed it was when jag also dropped), I was constantly doing troxs and neconus.

Madman and my soc sure knows how many hrs a day I spent on uber, medium and tiny trox... Without any drops - thats at least 100hrs spent alone hunting trox...

Like i said in many other threads i dont think MA handled this one very well at all, no need to get into that again, but Buzz, you have gotta know by now that i you hunt excessively for something in particular you can be pretty sure youll never get it... Hunting for a part you need instead of going for something you usually do good @ just doesnt work anymore, even 4 years ago you were insanely lucky if you looted an ml35 to use another example in thread, and it was usually not the sucker that camped trax hard for 3 months, it was someone passing by @the time of day you were sleeping in your bed or working




Oh and i agree with Avery, read his posts again and try not to read them with the "haha i got what i wanted your all stupid for not doing the same" attitude, instead read them for what they are, a good suggestion as to what you could do next VU to have the best possibilities.

Its ok to be pissed @footguards ofc, like i said earlier i sure as hell dont agree with especially the time we got to complete our sets, but it doesnt hurt to do the smart thing ingame while youre being pissed, it is possible to do both...

Btw i looted 4 sets of boar, 2 sets of bear and a set of (very lucky) jaguar footguards, i dont own uber armor, i use an (L) fap and an imp28 i borrowed, besides the pricetag on imp28 being kinda steep due to its economy and lack of other choices its hardly the best way to hunt big trox, falx and seg.
Besides everything ingame is possible to do in team, so you dont own an ml35 and dont have 2 friends with one either? Gather 5 people with EP41 and bravos, descent armor, tpchips for the deaths that will happen from time to time and have a blast, you would be surprised how easy it is if you havent done big trox/falx/seg or similar before...

Oh and as for personal reference? I was stupid myself after VU, i knew what to do to make some money but i still played on like i usually do after looting a few lucky sets of feet to pay for some of the ones i needed. And btw dont give me the "i dont hunt for stuff i can sell for markup since i dont want to take advantage of people" bs, i really really dont see anyone ingame pushing things under market value if they get a few lucky loots... Thats human nature and nothing wrong with it.

*guess ill take some flaming as well, ill take mine well done though please *

oh and btw thats a "yes" on MA handling it poorly Lugzan, if that wasnt clear

[Lee]

Originally Posted by dj.

I hear ya, I SO hear ya.

I hunted Trox and Warriors untill I was pig sick at the sight of them

Amen sister! You and me both, but I finally took a break from them and just went and bought bear footies when the price dropped a little. I will no doubt return to the warriors just to see if miracles still happen, but once my friend Al got his angel boots after a few days hunting I must admit I was pretty fed up with spending hours and hours and peds out the bazooka and not getting the angel I wanted, as I understood from MA that boot drops would not be of the same rarity as other angel bits for now.

Originally Posted by Nicole

After all these years of playing , I knew enough not to really go out looking for foot guards and just hunt my usual assortment of mobs; I also knew not really to pay any attention to the statement Marco made because I knew in my heart that is not how MA ever did business.

Amen to you too Nicole! Seems the best bet is to always remember that last line, just ignore what MA says and go with what you already know from past experience, cause the two are rarely the same.

Oh Avery, you know I love you, and I understand what you are saying, but I honestly don't think your experiences (and that of other ubers) bears any relation at all to what the majority of us peons experience no matter how hard we try Good luck in vegas, wanna drop a few quid bets in my name?

[Buck Buck Stone]

Originally Posted by ~ thebuzz ~

I adapted, tried all mobs that drops feet up to shadow and solo killed minimum 500 of each of those, 500 hogglos (...)

Maybe a more "indirect" adaption would have helped more? Let me explain:

Even if loot probability increased a lot in 9.0, shadow was (and remains) rare as hell. So, instead of waiting for the lucky hit of a very seldom loot that maybe even doesnt drop for u, why not going out to hunt for less seldom loot and sell it for enough, to finally buy the thing ur actually looking for?

In particular: why not to hunt segs and loot dozens of bear footies, or falx and loot a couple of boar, and sell them and collect the peds - to finally buy the shadow footies?

And btw: 500 hogs is about 3000 peds ammo is about 6 hours hunting, right?

Buck.

[Metatron]

Originally Posted by Buck Buck Stone

Maybe a more "indirect" adaption would have helped more? Let me explain:

Even if loot probability increased a lot in 9.0, shadow was (and remains) rare as hell. So, instead of waiting for the lucky hit of a very seldom loot that maybe even doesnt drop for u, why not going out to hunt for less seldom loot and sell it for enough, to finally buy the thing ur actually looking for?

In particular: why not to hunt segs and loot dozens of bear footies, or falx and loot a couple of boar, and sell them and collect the peds - to finally buy the shadow footies?

And btw: 500 hogs is about 3000 peds ammo is about 6 hours hunting, right?

Buck.

You are right, Buck... As is Optima, Avery, etc. A good way to go about it is to try to loot the more common foot guards and use the profits from them to get the rare ones. However, the point is that we shouldn't have even been put in that situation in the first place. They expanded armor sets instead of modifying them. They could have easily took all shins and split them into shins and feet. No need to get into this again though... Lets just express our distaste for this decision and see if MA can give an explanation or at least some sort of resolution on the issue.

I also must say that I am impressed with some of MA's decisions as of late. If they would just link up their communication with their production people would be much happier. As players we have to step back and understand that they are only human and there isn't just one person making all of the decisions. It is a group effort on their part to try and make everyone happy. So players, keep complaining when you think a change was a bad decision. MA, please try to communicate with us more. You don't have to give away VU secrets or info that would be speculative for investments... Just let us know that you are listening and we aren't just another credit card in your database.

[Wormie]

Originally Posted by Metatron

You are right, Buck... As is Optima, Avery, etc. A good way to go about it is to try to loot the more common foot guards and use the profits from them to get the rare ones.

Now u use different words, TRY to loot etc. And my point was/is that even a lot of ppl were TRYING to get (any) foot guards, they didn't get any. Like me, I loot usually 1 armor part per month (not counting TT-worth pcs.). I can't do like u say coz I never get any good loots (atleast within last 14 months), I don't have the luck (in looting). 99% of my loot is TT-crap. 1% is gazzurdite.

[Wormie]

Originally Posted by dj.

Ohh Wormie, thats harsh.. come here for a good ass whippin'



I think he meant for example trox may drop Jag feet, not ''that trox over there, that one, 3rd from the left'

I know what he said but he didn't catch my sarcasm. And me and others telling that they didn't get any "shoes" despite spending hours and hours killing those mobs which were known to drop'em.

And dear DJ, I'm ready my whip or yours?

[Rayne Jade]

Originally Posted by Avery

This has undoubtedly been the single best VU ever for looting items. I don't understand why more people didn't take advantage of it. I can understand people at a certain level would battle to kill most of the mobs that dropped tons of shoes; but any team of 3 people with ML-35s or similar could have made an easy 5K PED each of markup on Boar shoes alone.

For some I am sure looting was great, for the majority it seems... not so much. I am sure the "upper class" of EU has no problem gathering 3 people with ML-35's. Again, not so much for the middle / lower class. As far as the markup on the Boar feet... That is what made a bad situation so much worse. Too many people were taking advantage of the situation we were all in. Every player (except the PoE owners which got the feet for free and I agree that they should have btw) needed to get footguards. It appeared as if once someone got their footguards it was a case of "I've got mine! Sucks to be you... and now you are gonna pay for it!" Suddenly the desparation to aquire this new armor piece was forgotten. I have always said, it is not a question of if you could get a high markup for them, it is a question of SHOULD you.

Also, if you got a Falx team together early, you would have been able to sell the first few pairs for 1k+, even 1.5k+. And believe me, they were dropping a lot. With not that many people hunting Falx, they still dropped around 200 pairs.

Falx are uber mobs... designed for the upper class. I had Boar armor. Since I will probably never be able to kill a Falx I saw the writing on the wall and switch armor sets. I addressed the markup earlier.

And Wormie, you could just check auction history on items in auction to learn which shoes are dropping the most.

Even without my Shadow and Angel loots (those are lucky drops IMO), I could have paid for shoes for all my armour sets, and still had way more than enough for paying for PoE if MA had made another decision of what to do with them.

I think it is great that you were successful, I really do! Gratz for all that. For the vast majority that luck was not realized.

There were very many opportunities this VU for everyone. Ambu had a few days of dropping a lot of Tbird, Hispis dropping Viking, etc. Even Gremlin Shoes off Bristles. If you watched things carefully enough and hunted them intensely when they started dropping them regularly, you could have made a packet.

I think the opportunity missed was for the community to come together and trade these armor parts for REASONABLE prices. MA probably looked at this as an experiment to see how we as a group would react. We showed them that while we complain loudly about an unpopular change, we will not actually do anything to tip the scales back in our favor. We all lost 1/7 of our protection. Some fortunate players were able to gain that back rather quickly. The ones that were not so fortunate got screwed by MA and again got screwed by the ones that looted these armor parts. Basically, MA now has evidence that while we make numerous threads about strikes and protests we are pretty much full of sh*t - nothing will ever come of it. They can now introduce neck guards next month and while there will be threads about the injustice of MA to take away protection again, the greater injustice will happen within EU by the resellers and fortunate few that loot those parts.

DISCLAIMER: I don't for one second imply that this was handled perfectly. I think MA should only made Shoes necessary around 9.3. That would have given people ample time for acquiring their shoes.

It was not handled correctly by MA, but there is plenty of blame within the player base too.

Originally Posted by Avery

That is true, but what I stay still stands. Every VU provides changes that almost anyone can profit from. It doesn't always require good skills or uber gear. I just don't think people look hard enough as to how they can make profit from the changes MA makes. One often has to react quickly to a number of changes though.

I understand some people are upset about Shoes, and in some cases understandly so. It's just there usually is a solution; and the whole idea behind PE is to find those solutions for ourselves That is the crux of what makes people successful.

Again, the mention of profit. In this case however, I feel it is profitting at the expense of others - price gouging, whatever you want to call it. It is no different than charging $5 for a bottle of water after a hurricane rips through your town. We had a chance to find the solution within ourselves, but the fortunate upper class did not think about the plural form, they thought singularly - not ourselves, but "myself".

Just my opinion of course... certainly this foot guard issue has changed how I view the community, particularly the names I saw (and wrote down) posting footguards in the auction for totally rediculous prices. I guess it is my own fault for starting to play too late, not having the required skills and equipment, and not being willing to pay whatever it took to "make me successful".

I think the problem here is that Avery hasn't played from our perspectives in such a long time, he can't comprehend how hard it is in todays VU.

I agree with this - I was not intending to flame you Avery - not at all. Just posting the point of view from the lower class looking up. It is now, and will forever be, a case of the "haves" and the "have-nots". We simply cannot compete with the upper class for the good loots and items. We instead must be willing to deposit huge sums to bridge that gap.

[Optima]

Originally Posted by Rayne Jade

For some I am sure looting was great, for the majority it seems... not so much. I am sure the "upper class" of EU has no problem gathering 3 people with ML-35's. Again, not so much for the middle / lower class. As far as the markup on the Boar feet... That is what made a bad situation so much worse. Too many people were taking advantage of the situation we were all in. Every player (except the PoE owners which got the feet for free and I agree that they should have btw) needed to get footguards. It appeared as if once someone got their footguards it was a case of "I've got mine! Sucks to be you... and now you are gonna pay for it!" Suddenly the desparation to aquire this new armor piece was forgotten. I have always said, it is not a question of if you could get a high markup for them, it is a question of SHOULD you.



Falx are uber mobs... designed for the upper class. I had Boar armor. Since I will probably never be able to kill a Falx I saw the writing on the wall and switch armor sets. I addressed the markup earlier.



I think it is great that you were successful, I really do! Gratz for all that. For the vast majority that luck was not realized.



I think the opportunity missed was for the community to come together and trade these armor parts for REASONABLE prices. MA probably looked at this as an experiment to see how we as a group would react. We showed them that while we complain loudly about an unpopular change, we will not actually do anything to tip the scales back in our favor. We all lost 1/7 of our protection. Some fortunate players were able to gain that back rather quickly. The ones that were not so fortunate got screwed by MA and again got screwed by the ones that looted these armor parts. Basically, MA now has evidence that while we make numerous threads about strikes and protests we are pretty much full of sh*t - nothing will ever come of it. They can now introduce neck guards next month and while there will be threads about the injustice of MA to take away protection again, the greater injustice will happen within EU by the resellers and fortunate few that loot those parts.



It was not handled correctly by MA, but there is plenty of blame within the player base too.



Again, the mention of profit. In this case however, I feel it is profitting at the expense of others - price gouging, whatever you want to call it. It is no different than charging $5 for a bottle of water after a hurricane rips through your town. We had a chance to find the solution within ourselves, but the fortunate upper class did not think about the plural form, they thought singularly - not ourselves, but "myself".

Just my opinion of course... certainly this foot guard issue has changed how I view the community, particularly the names I saw (and wrote down) posting footguards in the auction for totally rediculous prices. I guess it is my own fault for starti