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Old 12-07-2006, 11:29   #1
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the problem of nothing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/conte..._feature.shtml

what do you people make of this?

to me this kinda reminds me of harald eia (som engelsk språkforsker/as the english linguist). in other words for those who are not norwegian or dont know harald eia.... it sounds like a butt load of crap

am i missing something here?


"lets solve the problem of nothing with the number of everything (including nothing)"
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:38   #2
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Get that guy away from the children... He's messing up their minds.
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Its simple

x / 0 = infinity
-x / 0 = -infinity
0 / x = 0

but
0 / 0 = nullity according to this guy

Personally I would guess there is nothing to devide in the first place. 0 / x is always 0 So why isnt this 0 but nullity?

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At work they are telling me
0 /x is not 0.. But what is it then? They dare defy me, but cant disagree with my view but cannot explain their one bit...

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Im speechless .

This scientist/teacher is plain stupid. I'm speechless. As a programmer (x/0) were (0/0) is just an subpart have allways worked with Nullity, as NaN, which stands for Not a Number. Nullity was'nt invented reasontly .

Perhaps it was just BBC's need to invent some news. News media's have a tendency to screw up the truth. Just read all those messages.


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Its simple

x / 0 = infinity
-x / 0 = -infinity
0 / x = 0

but
0 / 0 = nullity according to this guy

Personally I would guess there is nothing to devide in the first place. 0 / x is always 0 So why isnt this 0 but nullity?

*edit*
At work they are telling me
0 /x is not 0.. But what is it then? They dare defy me, but cant disagree with my view but cannot explain their one bit...

ill quote eddie murphy:
"No, don't say 'nothing'. Eddie. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing"

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x / 0 = infinity
-x / 0 = -infinity

fair enough


0 / x = 0 #unless x=0


0 / 0 = irrelevant/no result

basicly what he is saying is this?

0/0 = -x/0 -> 0 -> x/0

"'nullity' - which sits outside the conventional number line (stretching from negative infinity, through zero, to positive infinity)"

does that mean , in the end, that 0 = x ?

how can nothing be anything when nothing is nothing?
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basicly what he is saying is this?

0/0 = -x/0 -> 0 -> x/0

"'nullity' - which sits outside the conventional number line (stretching from negative infinity, through zero, to positive infinity)"

does that mean , in the end, that 0 = x ?

how can nothing be anything when nothing is nothing?


However funny, you can't do math like that on divisions with zero.
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Given that a = 1 and b = 1

a = b (we now multiply with b on both sides...)
ab = bb (subtract aa on both sides...)
ab - aa = bb - aa ( put a 'outside' on left side...)
a(b-a) = bb - aa ( Use the rule for Product of Sum and Difference...)
a(b-a) = (b + a) * (b - a) (Divide by b - a on both sides...)
a = b + a (insert values)

1 = 2
QED.


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x/0 = infinity :: because:

10/2:
10-2=8 count: 1
8-2=6 count: 2
6-2=4 count: 3
4-2=2 count: 4
2-2=0 count: 5

10/2=5

however...

10/0:
10-0=10 count: 1
10-0=10 count: 2
10-0=10 count: 3
...

in this case 10/0=infinity


from a different angle you will get this

10/2=5 because 2*5=10 # correct

10/0=x because 0*x=10 # incorrect/irrelevant since 0*x cant be 10

a third angle...

10/0 = 0 because you got nothing to devide it with

it works if 0 = close to 0. but last time i checked 0=0 not infinity->0 or whatever. im confusing myself so im gonna stop now

why do i even bother this

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im pretty impressed by the last part of the formula



0/1 + 1/0 = Ф/Ф

does that mean that:

1/X + X/1 = ж/ж

1/3 + 3/1 = β/β

л/b + b/л =Љ/Љ



im smelling a math revolution
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The best comment i heard today regarding deviding 0. I didnt get a real answer to my question, but I got a hint, and this is about how it went.

6 / 3 = 2 .. so 2 * 3 = 6 and 6 / 2 = 3

6 / 0 = INF .. so INF * 0 = 5 ( nope ) and 5 / INF = 0?

0 / 3 = 0 .. so 0 * 3 = 0 and 0 / 0 = 3 ( nope )

So calculating it the other way arround isnt even possible with out basic match The INF and 0 "symbols" are said to be only to make things easier.. I really have no clue anymore..
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