Saving fuel with some magic pill...

[Bullet]

Well I'm a big sceptic myself about all these fuel saving magic additives, conditioners and god knows what kind of crap available these days. Have tried a significant portion of those and been not quite happy with the results. Well until I have been pointed towards this interesting product. But before I get flamed as a bullshitter, scammer, etc I want to show some serious footage about it:

YouTube Video

YouTube Video

I have also attached car tech inspection sheets showing our company cars emissions before the pill and after.

Last years tech inspection:



This years tech inspection: after having the MPG-CAP.



Feel free to do your own research, at the moment I'm testing it with a driving school and several private cars. It yields between 6-12% savings.

You can check out the company website for more info:
FFI corporate website

[Bullet]

For the sceptics the results of the first scientific study performed by the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine.

Russian Doc: http://hexabyte.tripod.com/MOD-mpg-cap_test.pdf
English Doc: http://hexabyte.tripod.com/mpg_test.pdf

BUMP

[Scorpion]

Can't watch the videos, at work right now.

All I can say is it sounds like BS to me. Adding a pill or an additive to your gas tank will not increase mileage. The exception to that being additives meant to clean injectors, cylinder walls and ports from fuel deposits or carbon build up. These simply put efficieny near original levels.

Internal combustion engines are just oversized vacuum pumps with sensors. It monitors how much air is coming in and mixes fuel in the correct amounts to have the mixture as close to the stoichiometric point as possible. Once the engine is running the oxygen sensors monitor the exhaust gases and relay to the main computer (PCM) to increase or decrease fuel as needed for the amount of air being received. The Fuel injectors "pulse" a mist of fuel into the cylinder, more or less depending on the previous conditions and running of the engine (engine knock for example will retard the timing through the PCM and in most cases use more fuel.) Thats a quick basic rundown of how it works

So that being said, how does this pill supposedly work, increasing the oxygen levels of the fuel to burn cleaner and possibly have more oxygen in the exhaust gases? This is the only thing that comes to my mind.
Maybe it is an octane booster which would increase mileage slightly on maybe 50% of the cars and be detrimental to the other 50%.

If you can post more about its basis in science, labs, and fact I would love to read it.

[Scorpion]

The second website you posted
http://www.fuelsaving.info/ffi.htm

Made for pre-1973 cars initially to run on unleaded fuel.
Supposedly coats the cylinder walls with something to promote full combustion. What can withstand the immediate temperatures of the combustion to do this. Its not metal that would risk ring or wall wear. Teflon maybe, I think teflon is good to about 500 degrees F so it could work. I don't see this making enough of a difference to affect anything though.
It also increases the octane slightly like I guessed in the last post. That is probably the only increase in mileage people are noticing. Either way without more information I am pretty convinced against this product. By more information I mean lab tests by a third party.

Worried about gas mileage? Do your oil change regularly, tune up your car, make sure the sensors are within ideal ranges with a computer diagnostic, change your fuel filter, make sure your tires are not underinflated, don't carry more in your car then you have to, don't stomp the gas pedal down, get a high flow air filter (K&N are good ones for example.)

[Bullet]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

The second website you posted
http://www.fuelsaving.info/ffi.htm

Made for pre-1973 cars initially to run on unleaded fuel.
Supposedly coats the cylinder walls with something to promote full combustion. What can withstand the immediate temperatures of the combustion to do this. Its not metal that would risk ring or wall wear. Teflon maybe, I think teflon is good to about 500 degrees F so it could work. I don't see this making enough of a difference to affect anything though.
It also increases the octane slightly like I guessed in the last post. That is probably the only increase in mileage people are noticing. Either way without more information I am pretty convinced against this product. By more information I mean lab tests by a third party.

Worried about gas mileage? Do your oil change regularly, tune up your car, make sure the sensors are within ideal ranges with a computer diagnostic, change your fuel filter, make sure your tires are not underinflated, don't carry more in your car then you have to, don't stomp the gas pedal down, get a high flow air filter (K&N are good ones for example.)

Have a look on the recent tests form the Ministry of Defense. Just form May 2007 tested in labs and new vehicles.

And really am as sceptical as I could be. So I'm willing to sponsor some tests. PM me if interested.
All I can say that i works on a 2005 - C 200 Merc and 1993 Volvo 460 as well as on a 2005 Jeep Cherokee. I have no more test resulst yet. I'm expecting my Lexus IS 250 to arrive soon, so I will report.

Some of my soc mates and ingame friends have agreed to test it so let's see what comes ot.

P.S. As you have noticed I'm just looking for a result so if it's BS it's a good result too.

[Scorpion]

cool, come whatever may and all that.

[Rednexi]

Hmm...sceptical too, thinking that if it really does increase the mileage, have there been any testing to the long term use? How will it affect the engines total mileage? If i get this right this magic additive is "cheating" the motor sensors to go on to a more thin mixture, so more air -> less fuel -> more mileage. Cant see how else this could work? , unless the pill itself burns like gas, thus saving gas! Well to continue, in my experience the too thin mixture makes the engine "not work too long" in other words, go bang. This happens in the long run, when the mixture is a bit wrong, naturally this happens due to a fault, like a leak in the intake for the engine, after the air-volume-meter. But i could see this happening with this additive too.

well yes, thought about the motors internal friction, This could actually increase the cost-effectiviness of the motor thus more mileage, yes its possible this way, still i am sceptical.

[Bullet]

Originally Posted by Rednexi

Hmm...sceptical too, thinking that if it really does increase the mileage, have there been any testing to the long term use? How will it affect the engines total mileage? If i get this right this magic additive is "cheating" the motor sensors to go on to a more thin mixture, so more air -> less fuel -> more mileage. Cant see how else this could work? , unless the pill itself burns like gas, thus saving gas! Well to continue, in my experience the too thin mixture makes the engine "not work too long" in other words, go bang. This happens in the long run, when the mixture is a bit wrong, naturally this happens due to a fault, like a leak in the intake for the engine, after the air-volume-meter. But i could see this happening with this additive too.

Well it doesn't cheat sensors as it works on two stroke lawn mowers without any sensors. I guess that the increased octane/cetane rating is one of the keys. But increased octane rating is one thing, there is something there which creates a micro coating inside the chamber, the spark plugs are clean compared to the "pill free" mode (looked on the Volvo only).

Going bang is the least concern as the product is EPA certified not to harm the engine plus the company offers a six digit insurance is something happens. So it's either a placebo or they are damn sure about it's qualities. The PDF form the Ministry is a good read in this respect.

Anyway the FFi Saga continues...

[Carl]

i remember one of my friends trying the old "mothballs in the tank"
years ago and it seemd to run better "probably the naptha"

and i used to put octaine addative"probably banned now" lol
in my old mkII escort when i used to run track days
"but it used to run real hot if u stopped for a minuite"
so not realy practical unless you seriously upgrade the cooling system

i find the best way to improve the performance is a seriously
good synthetic oil "mobil 1" or some such
as moast pepole put cheap stuff in and u end up using
a couple of horsepower turning all the bearings
"and if u try turning the engine by hand u realy feel the difference"

[aa840]

Hello,

I got some of the pills from Bullet and will post the results later.

I have a Suziki Swift 95 1.3 Liter Manual car.

Best I had was 7L/100Km but it varies on my driving style, usually approx 8L/100Km

This was before the pills (I started yesterday)